WTB: Zymol Vintage

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MoeMistry said:
Paul is applying the wax improperly. Not sure why he would tell you to put royale on by applicator. In his videos, he's doing it by hand. Apply Ital by hand.
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yeah I think we have all seen those videos, recently tho he had some pics of him putting royale on a BMW with a app.



Thanx for the info plan on putting it on today
 
This thread makes very interesting reading, I have just started using Zymol and Swissvax in the last year or so and fortunately one of the Directors of Zymol Europe lives very close and has passed on some great tips to me on how to use HD-Cleanse.



Firstly, HD Cleanse can be used by machine, the product does tend to dry out quickly though so I prefer hand application, but I know of several detailers in the UK who have been taught that machine application is possible.



Firstly, always make sure the applicator is damp, this makes the product work easier and the product goes further.



Next I always make sure I work the product on cool panels out of direct sunlight, do not let this product dry. Apply it in straight lines with your applicator and then remove the residue immediately. Work a small section at a time.



I will start working left to right and then when I have done the complete panel you can start a small section of that panel again, top to bottom. If that small section appears improved, you can do the whole panel again. Continue this until you notice no further improvement.



When the applicator is loaded with product, you can mist some water on the applicator and effectively reuse the residue on the applicator without going for new product.



I tend to do this on glass as HD Cleanse is a very good glass cleanser.



HD Cleanse is well worth it, a fantastic product which leaves an amazing finish. Dare I say it, in seeing alot of high end waxes being applied, I think that the HD Cleanse adds the majority of the look, perhaps 70% with the wax adding the final 30%.



I have successfully used HD Cleanse and topped with other waxes such as Victoria Concours (a fantastic budget option) and Swissvax Best of Show (for a bling finish).



Hope that helps.
 
MoeMistry said:
That I'm told is raw white carnauba. You have to melt it in your hands to properly break it down and then you massge it into the finish.
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There is no such thing as white carnuba Yellow is the purest. This is a fact. Maybe it is the yellow carnuba but not the "white". It's probably because the montan oil aka the Solvent is in much lower proportion to the amount of wax therefore making it harder and not as soft a wax. Like the Concours or Titanium. Probably less Bees wax in the vintage too. I wish I knew the percentages of the ingridients ;)
 
Steelth said:
There is no such thing as white carnuba Yellow is the purest. This is a fact. Maybe it is the yellow carnuba but not the "white". It's probably because the montan oil aka the Solvent is in much lower proportion to the amount of wax therefore making it harder and not as soft a wax. Like the Concours or Titanium. Probably less Bees wax in the vintage too. I wish I knew the percentages of the ingridients ;)
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Ok, and you know this information how? Care to cite your sources? Are you a vendor/manufacturer?



Not trying to pick on you, but let's not turn this into another thread like the one benvegas posted recently.
 
moe,



how does the ital compare to the concours? i recently purchased some ital on ebay (too good a deal to pass up) and i was just wondering how it compares to concours or the others. also, i do not have a ferrari, which i think it is supposedly designed for, but i have an 07 tahoe and an 07 maxima. any insight on the ital would be nice to know.



thanks in advance
 
RCBuddha said:
Ok, and you know this information how? Care to cite your sources? Are you a vendor/manufacturer?



Not trying to pick on you, but let's not turn this into another thread like the one benvegas posted recently.
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I'm not sure if benvegas started the superior sealant thread or not. The so called "white" carnuba is a very light yellow close to white in color. But still the same grade and funtionally is the same as the yellow depending on how long until it is extracted from the trees. Wait a longer time and it goes into a browner color. If you are asking how I know about the other ingredients such as the montan oil as a solvent go look up montan wax it is a refined coal oil basically which is a solvent to soften the wax along with the propolis aka bees wax. Now if they bleach it or not I have no clue.
 
I'm glad to see Moe here too. I think it'll be good to have some Zymol users around so those of us who haven't used it can get good info on it from guys with experience. I've always been interested in trying some of the estate glazes, so I'm looking forward to hearing more about them. I just got some Concours, just waiting on some HD cleanse before I use it.
 
Zymol Titanium is one of the seven Estate Glaze waxes offered by Zymol, and should also be applied by bare hands.
 
MoeMistry said:
Paul is applying the wax improperly. Not sure why he would tell you to put royale on by applicator. In his videos, he's doing it by hand. Apply Ital by hand.
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You're absolutely correct Moe. A few years back I stopped by the Ferrari dealership and was talking with one of the managers. I mentioned that I was using Vintage on mine and he told me his experience of one customer. Customer buys a brand new 328 GTS - his first Ferrari. In his excitement, he buys Ferrari polo shirts, baseball caps, key fobs, coffee mugs, etc. He also buys the Ital eg, hd cleanse, prewax and wax apps. He was instructed to melt the glaze in his hands when applying but he figured he can do a more "thorough" job with a wax app. Guess what? He scratched the crap out of that brand new 328!!! Costed him quite a bit to have them polish and buff it out since he thought rubbing more would get rid of the hazing. Nice going dude.



Zymol is perfect when the instructions are followed. The only way I could see applying eg's with a wax app is if the eg is already melted to liquid form - even so, I'd still be nervous. Use your hands.
 
BLKSWAN said:
moe,



how does the ital compare to the concours? i recently purchased some ital on ebay (too good a deal to pass up) and i was just wondering how it compares to concours or the others. also, i do not have a ferrari, which i think it is supposedly designed for, but i have an 07 tahoe and an 07 maxima. any insight on the ital would be nice to know.



thanks in advance
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I haven't seen them side-by-side, but I imagine concours being better since it's got more white carnauba in it. You're perfectly OK using Ital, or any other glaze, on any finish.
 
Wise 85 said:
Zymol Titanium is one of the seven Estate Glaze waxes offered by Zymol, and should also be applied by bare hands.
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Titanium is border line. You can use a foam pad or bare hand. I actually prefer using it with a blue zymol wax applicator. The result is a more even look and easier application. Just my 2 cents.
 
Wow there is some great information going on here. I purchased the Vintage, haven't received it just yet but really looking forward to receiving it and using it. I've been reading lost on the Zymol products and applications and the more I read the more comfortable I feel. But reading and doing are two different things.



MoeMistry, thanks for sharing your knowledge. I don't like bashing things till I try it and well what got me hooked was Concours. The HD-cleanse is a gorgeous product and I really like the application methods, I'm all about doing things by hand...expect the polishing hahaha.



Now I know where and who to ask for feed back.



CalgaryDetail, you’re not a loser (well at least not to me) buddy and I'll definitely phone you as soon as I receive it.
 
MoeMistry said:
Paul is applying the wax improperly. Not sure why he would tell you to put royale on by applicator. In his videos, he's doing it by hand. Apply Ital by hand.
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With respect, I have been testing this procedure for over a year, applying wax by hand can sometimes scratch the finish with soft clear coats, with a foam applicator you don't get this problem. I have also done durability tests between the two different ways of applying the wax and found no difference at all.
 
I have had no problems whatsoever with applying the EGZ glazes by hand. What I like to do is to use soft latex gloves when I apply Vintage (and formerly Concours). It adds another method of safety from accidental marring from fingernails or scaly palms.



If anyone decides to use gloves with their glazes, beware and make sure that you use latex and not rubber and/or clear rubber gloves. You will get the worst micromarring from them.



Applicators tend to use too much of the compound, and if you are not heating up the wax sufficiently you could risk smearing and even marring when you stroke it against the paint.



Edit: Calgary, you should've posted that beautiful Jag with the Concours on it here!!!!!
 
Frankly friends, the whole hand application thing smells like BS. You can warm up wax with an applicator. It's just marketing...
 
I've barely touched my Concours so I'm not claiming to speak with any authority here, but my first impression was that applying by hand would stretch the wax further. The amount of wax left on my hand seemed less than I would wind up with left in a foam pad. I also didn't find application by hand to be any sort of extra hassle at all. I'll obviously bend to Paul's wisdom that it has the potential to mar soft clear coats (and with the effort he puts into his details I'm sure that was enormously frustrating), but that doesn't appear to be a big concern with my cars.
 
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