Would you vote yes for federal unemployment extension

[CHEVYMAN]

You see this in every aspect of life. It can be freeloaders at work, church, a sports team, living off their parents money, etc. The question is do you not do something for 90% of the people who deserve help or not do it just to keep (punish) the 10% that are freeloaders.

Those 90% of the people are quickly becoming part of the 10% and before you know it it's 50%-50%.I'm telling you, get most of these people in a groove of not having a job and it becomes easier to just sit back and watch those checks come in. Also start making these people go to pick up their checks, sit on line like i did back when they made you pick them up at the unemployment office instead of waiting for the mailman to show up, and they will go look for a job then.Nothing was worse then waiting for hours for that check.

 

[CHEVYMAN]

Enabling people to do nothing ? True in some cases, but there are LOTS of other cases where good, hard working people can't find work. This is not their fault, the American economy is in the dumps (or was in the dumps). These people aren't some bums trying to live off the system. They were employed, making money, paying taxes, paying for their homes, when something happened and their job was gone. A social security net like unemployment insurance is good, it helps out people during unfortunate times, so they don't have to foreclose their home, so they don't lose their vehicle, and so they don't have to cry themselves to sleep wondering how they're going to put food on the table the next night for their families.



As for people getting away from their sense of entitlement..... How do you think the unemployement insurance program works ? It's paid for by taxpayers. Which means that you and everyone else who works is paying money into the system. So techincally, yeah, people who get unemployment ARE entitled to it, because they PAID into that system.



Sorry, but I find this blantant mentality very irritating. Maybe you don't know what it's like to get pushed into a financial corner that wasn't your fault, but you should really think before making such a blanket statement.

That so called money that the taxpayer payed into IS GONE the money now is coming out of this horrible debt that we ALL owe , and as far as coming out of the economy or as you so called it "The dump" we are still in this "dump" and we aren't coming out for a long long time.Don't fall for that (WE SAVED SO MANY JOBS)B.S. It's impossible to come up with a figure on saved jobs.And all the jobs they said came back were for the I.R.S. (GOVERNMENT JOBS) not private sector jobs.

 

[Lenny]

[quote name='RaskyR1']The problem is that a lot of people abuse the system....not sure how I'd vote really. I've had family members unemployed but they also worked their tail of to find a new job....even if it was making less money. I just don't like people sitting on their a$$ collecting free money.

You see this in every aspect of life. It can be freeloaders at work, church, a sports team, living off their parents money, etc. The question is do you not do something for 90% of the people who deserve help or not do it just to keep (punish) the 10% that are freeloaders.[/QUOTE]Exactly. I've had people, in my subdivision, that have known my wife & I for twelve years, give me this crap about people abusing the system. They want to throw the baby out with the bath watter over some half baked nonsense over a handful of people gaming the system. I don't even buy that there's a handful of people gaming the system - try walk in my shoes for the last nearly three years. You can't even get interviews for positions you're over qualified for.

Those 90% of the people are quickly becoming part of the 10% and before you know it it's 50%-50%.I'm telling you, get most of these people in a groove of not having a job and it becomes easier to just sit back and watch those checks come in. Also start making these people go to pick up their checks, sit on line like i did back when they made you pick them up at the unemployment office instead of waiting for the mailman to show up, and they will go look for a job then.Nothing was worse then waiting for hours for that check.

Pure, unadulterated horse sh**. I've been out of unemployment benefits for months - hasn't changed how I look for a job, nor the amount of job opportunities to apply for. You can't apply for what's not there, and you can't force an employer to change their mind when they say "You're over qualified, and since in my opinion, you'll leave for a better job when comes along, I won't interview you to begin with", something my wife & I, as unemployed, highly educated and experienced professionals, have heard repeatedly.

 

[RaskyR1]

You see this in every aspect of life. It can be freeloaders at work, church, a sports team, living off their parents money, etc. The question is do you not do something for 90% of the people who deserve help or not do it just to keep (punish) the 10% that are freeloaders.

Good point. Would be nice if they had a way to weed out the peeps abusing the system though.

 

[CHEVYMAN]

Exactly. I've had people, in my subdivision, that have known my wife & I for twelve years, give me this crap about people abusing the system. They want to throw the baby out with the bath watter over some half baked nonsense over a handful of people gaming the system. I don't even buy that there's a handful of people gaming the system - try walk in my shoes for the last nearly three years. You can't even get interviews for positions you're over qualified for.



Pure, unadulterated horse sh**. I've been out of unemployment benefits for months - hasn't changed how I look for a job, nor the amount of job opportunities to apply for. You can't apply for what's not there, and you can't force an employer to change their mind when they say "You're over qualified, and since in my opinion, you'll leave for a better job when comes along, I won't interview you to begin with", something my wife & I, as unemployed, highly educated and experienced professionals, have heard repeatedly.

I understand what you are saying and i'm not saying everyone is going to what i posted (i wouldn't)but there are some out there that will do just that. These jobs that are lost aren't coming back. Most companies are dealing with the lesser employees and they are now making money. This is what this Government wants.........They want people to depend on them and them only.

 

[Lenny]

I understand what you are saying and i'm not saying everyone is going to what i posted (i wouldn't)but there are some out there that will do just that. These jobs that are lost aren't coming back. Most companies are dealing with the lesser employees and they are now making money. This is what this Government wants.........They want people to depend on them and them only.

There may be some that feel that way. The majority, I think, don't. Doesn't matter. Until someone figures out how to come up with a way for the economy to replace the jobs that aren't coming back, this problem is way, way past the ability of individual people to solve. The crap that comes from certain quarters about self sufficiency and hard working making it blah, blah, blah. It's condescending beyond belief. Forget just the official statistic about 5 unemployed for every job opening. Manager at the Lowe's closest to me said they got 300 applications for every opening they had this past spring hiring season. They hired 20 people. Do the math. It's that scary. If "government" does set aside the partisan bullsh**, and step up, and do whatever is needed, this country is going to see a huge number of barely-hanging-on-middle-class who are going to be homeless within less than two years, especially if the majority of economists were right a year BEFORE this administration was elected, and this economy is going to see only slow, middling, puny growth until at least 2015. Including me. Just like The Great Depression.

 

[WAS]

That so called money that the taxpayer payed into IS GONE the money now is coming out of this horrible debt that we ALL owe , and as far as coming out of the economy or as you so called it "The dump" we are still in this "dump" and we aren't coming out for a long long time.Don't fall for that (WE SAVED SO MANY JOBS)B.S. It's impossible to come up with a figure on saved jobs.And all the jobs they said came back were for the I.R.S. (GOVERNMENT JOBS) not private sector jobs.

From the taxpayer's perspective, this is irrelavant. The employed, tax-paying person PAID into an unemployment system that is designed to be there if they need it. How your government has conducted themselves over the past 10 years in regards to spending and saving isn't that person's personal concern. It's like saying you put your money into the Bank of America into a savings account, so you could make interest. Then, the bank makes some stupid moves, and goes bankrupt, taking all your money. That's your fault how ?



Bottom line is, people deserve a social security net, and they've been paying for it through their taxes (here in Canada, it's actually a separate pay cheque deduction from federal taxes, it's called EI (Employment Insurance) deductions).