Would you vote yes for federal unemployment extension

From speaking of the unemployment perspective.. In my area and with a background like mine (mostly hands on and no extra shcooling) if i didn't have detailing as my main income than I wouldn't be able to survive. now that I've been laid off for 6 months from my job I have gona back into school (to become an architect) and I think it would be a good thing. As long as they are keeping up and actually trying to progress
 
ADetailedFinish said:
From speaking of the unemployment perspective.. In my area and with a background like mine (mostly hands on and no extra shcooling) if i didn't have detailing as my main income than I wouldn't be able to survive. now that I've been laid off for 6 months from my job I have gona back into school (to become an architect) and I think it would be a good thing. As long as they are keeping up and actually trying to progress
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I wish you luck - hopefully someone will decide to build something by the time you are ready to work in it full time. I have been in it since 1985 (B. Arch. in '87) and licensed since 1991 and have weathered a lot of down times but NONE as bad as this, EVER.



I have had a lot of fantastic opportunities and great experiences, but the lean time just SUCK!
 
ADetailedFinish said:
From speaking of the unemployment perspective.. In my area and with a background like mine (mostly hands on and no extra shcooling) if i didn't have detailing as my main income than I wouldn't be able to survive. now that I've been laid off for 6 months from my job I have gona back into school (to become an architect) and I think it would be a good thing. As long as they are keeping up and actually trying to progress
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+1. I've been on unemployment before, and it's saved me, and I'm far from lazy or anything. Things happen and people need help sometimes, that's what the system is for. Now, as for the folks abusing the system, IMO, they should go to jail for fraud.
 
^ agreed with WAS... I got thrown on unemployment for the second time within a year. This time I finally decided to do something that will benefit my future by going to school.. I am not lazy either, it's just the time and place i was at I guess..
 
CCSS2005 said:
Stop taking my money nooooooooooo! Get a frickin job
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I'd love a job. Been nearly three years out of work, with only two temp positions in between. "Get a frickin job" is really trite. Hope you never get told "As soon as a job in your old field opens up, you'd leave, so no, I won't even interview you" by a manager of a K-Mart store, after spending twenty-five years in outside sales, and being laid off by the new owner of your old employer.



Nationally, there's five unemployed people for ever one job opening.



Not only should they have voted yes, they need to add a Tier 5 for the 99-ers who ran out of unemployment.
 
I vote NO. There is a place for some unemployment, but extending it is only enabling people to do nothing. There is a time and place for everything and maybe a small extension for someone in a depressed economy like detroit there may be a place for something. People need to get away from the victim mentality and having a sense of entitlement. That is not what made this country great. It was made by hardworking people who made it happen.



Whew....I feel better...............You guys have a great weekend.
 
Yes, but I do agree that there should have been an equal cut in defense spending (formerly known as the Halliburton Welfare Program). Tax cuts or spending is ok as long as equal cuts are made (reduce spending in either case).
 
M Gray said:
I vote NO. There is a place for some unemployment, but extending it is only enabling people to do nothing. There is a time and place for everything and maybe a small extension for someone in a depressed economy like detroit there may be a place for something. People need to get away from the victim mentality and having a sense of entitlement. That is not what made this country great. It was made by hardworking people who made it happen.



Whew....I feel better...............You guys have a great weekend.
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Have fun trying to "(make) it happen" in Michigan, with double digit unemployment, and a large number of 99 weekers who are majority unemployed professional (well educated & experienced) people. You do NOT want to hear about the outcomes of what few interviews I have had, and the kind of things I've been told to my face.



And there's a lot of other places that still have double digit unemployment.
 
I also agree that an extension should be allowed.



Len_A - that sucks that you're still unemployed and I feel for you totally. Have you ever thought about getting the hell out of Michigan? It seems that the bleeding there has leveled off mostly and it's going to be survival of the fittest until a couple hundred thousand jobs are created. People need to realize that it's going to take a long time to get MI back to normal and might either need to start a business or move where it's less doom and gloom. I really don't know.
 
David Fermani said:
I also agree that an extension should be allowed.



Len_A - that sucks that you're still unemployed and I feel for you totally. Have you ever thought about getting the hell out of Michigan? It seems that the bleeding there has leveled off mostly and it's going to be survival of the fittest until a couple hundred thousand jobs are created. People need to realize that it's going to take a long time to get MI back to normal and might either need to start a business or move where it's less doom and gloom. I really don't know.
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Yea, we're seriously looking at it. One problem is the freaking house - bought it new, in 1998, for $213K. Conventional 20% down/30 year mortgage. Nothing fancy, just a regular mortgage. We owe a hair over $148K. House might now sell for $160K, tops. Back out the 6% real estate commission, and we might walk away with two grand.



Oh, and my wife - a bachelors degree in communications, a second bachelors degree in paralegal/legal assistant, over twenty years experience - she's been out of work for over eighteen months. She spent ten years with the state attorney disciplinary body, the Attorney Discipline Board, then spent ten years with Michigan's biggest law firm. She got a chance to interview with the sister agency, the Attorney Grievance Commission. One interview only, and didn't make the cut for a second interview, believe it or not. Interviewed three times with the U.S. Attorney's Office, didn't get that either, and in the case of both government agencies, the jobs went to someone who was already employed. I point that our, because when GM & Chrysler filed bankruptcy last year, the bankruptcy filing terminated a whole mess of product liability lawsuits, and put a bunch of lawyers and even more paralegals, on the unemployment line, including my wife. Then because the economy sucks, commercial real estate and other areas of law had their workloads drop drastically, and even more paralegals got canned. And two government agencies with multiple paralegal openings hire already employed people. Great use of taxpayers money. Not.



Anyway, besides those interviews, in a year and a half, all she's had one whole other interview, with one medium size law firm, and then they canceled the position rather than fill it.



So, we're looking at other states, but the way we think we would have to do this is that one of us finds a job, then we find a house, and get a mortgage, then try to unload this place. Problem is the down payment and the moving expenses, because money is getting tight. Already started tapping the IRA's, and I'm pushing 51 as it is.
 
I can feel for those unemployed as I've been there myself. I also ask how long can we provide unemployment benefits? 6 months? 12 months? 2 years? forever? Sooner or later it has to end. There is not enough money in the US to pay for everyone not to work. Our country has to get back to creating private sector jobs and I haven't seen much going on in the private sector to change that. Private sector jobs create prosperity for everyone. Government jobs do nothing for our economy as they are funded by tax money. Wait until the government sees how little tax revenue is coming in this year. I think we are all in for a dismal reckoning next year.



Len, I hope you and your wife find a way to prosperity and soon.
 
There are 2 issues: Most Republicans supported the bill if it was paid for...maybe $34 billion out of the $450 billion of stimulus money not yet spent. Didn't the White House argue that the extension STIMULATES the economy?



The 2d issue is whether the extended benefits allow people to just sit on their butts UNLESS THEY CAN GET BACK THEIR OLD JOB OR SOMETHING SIMILAR. In other words, "if I'm not getting a similar job, I'm not going to work anywhere." That's a new standard, applying the disability insurance standard that workers pay hefty premiums for to public unemployment benefits. Why would anyone getting an unemployment check take a job that pays less than their benefits?



Mike
 
M Gray said:
I vote NO. There is a place for some unemployment, but extending it is only enabling people to do nothing. There is a time and place for everything and maybe a small extension for someone in a depressed economy like detroit there may be a place for something. People need to get away from the victim mentality and having a sense of entitlement. That is not what made this country great. It was made by hardworking people who made it happen.



Whew....I feel better...............You guys have a great weekend.
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Enabling people to do nothing ? True in some cases, but there are LOTS of other cases where good, hard working people can't find work. This is not their fault, the American economy is in the dumps (or was in the dumps). These people aren't some bums trying to live off the system. They were employed, making money, paying taxes, paying for their homes, when something happened and their job was gone. A social security net like unemployment insurance is good, it helps out people during unfortunate times, so they don't have to foreclose their home, so they don't lose their vehicle, and so they don't have to cry themselves to sleep wondering how they're going to put food on the table the next night for their families.



As for people getting away from their sense of entitlement..... How do you think the unemployement insurance program works ? It's paid for by taxpayers. Which means that you and everyone else who works is paying money into the system. So techincally, yeah, people who get unemployment ARE entitled to it, because they PAID into that system.



Sorry, but I find this blantant mentality very irritating. Maybe you don't know what it's like to get pushed into a financial corner that wasn't your fault, but you should really think before making such a blanket statement.
 
WAS said:
Enabling people to do nothing ? True in some cases, but there are LOTS of other cases where good, hard working people can't find work. This is not their fault, the American economy is in the dumps (or was in the dumps). These people aren't some bums trying to live off the system. They were employed, making money, paying taxes, paying for their homes, when something happened and their job was gone. A social security net like unemployment insurance is good, it helps out people during unfortunate times, so they don't have to foreclose their home, so they don't lose their vehicle, and so they don't have to cry themselves to sleep wondering how they're going to put food on the table the next night for their families.



As for people getting away from their sense of entitlement..... How do you think the unemployement insurance program works ? It's paid for by taxpayers. Which means that you and everyone else who works is paying money into the system. So techincally, yeah, people who get unemployment ARE entitled to it, because they PAID into that system.



Sorry, but I find this blantant mentality very irritating. Maybe you don't know what it's like to get pushed into a financial corner that wasn't your fault, but you should really think before making such a blanket statement.
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Damn, I couldn't have said that any better. Thanks, WAS.
 
The problem is that a lot of people abuse the system....not sure how I'd vote really. I've had family members unemployed but they also worked their tail of to find a new job....even if it was making less money. I just don't like people sitting on their a$$ collecting free money.
 
RaskyR1 said:
The problem is that a lot of people abuse the system....not sure how I'd vote really. I've had family members unemployed but they also worked their tail of to find a new job....even if it was making less money. I just don't like people sitting on their a$$ collecting free money.
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You see this in every aspect of life. It can be freeloaders at work, church, a sports team, living off their parents money, etc. The question is do you not do something for 90% of the people who deserve help or not do it just to keep (punish) the 10% that are freeloaders.
 
M Gray said:
I vote NO. There is a place for some unemployment, but extending it is only enabling people to do nothing. There is a time and place for everything and maybe a small extension for someone in a depressed economy like detroit there may be a place for something. People need to get away from the victim mentality and having a sense of entitlement. That is not what made this country great. It was made by hardworking people who made it happen.



Whew....I feel better...............You guys have a great weekend.
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You are correct, i know a lot of people are out of a job and i'm sorry for the people who worked a long time at their job. But saying yes to this just makes a lot of people sit back and say thank you government for another welfare program. I'll just sit back and enjoy my summer on other peoples money. Mind you not all people are like this but a lot are. This is exactly what this administration wants. He wants people to rely on the Government. THIS GOVERNMENT IS TOO BIG.
 
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