Wolfgang SiO2 Paint Sealant versus Traditional Sealants - Test!

[Accumulator]

I’m sure you’ve made an impression on many people throughout the years....

Heh heh, there`s some kind of well-deserved joke at my expense there somewhere

I can’t count how many people have stated you got them to try FK.

Fortunately, the vast majority that I know of seem satisfied with it. Although I can think of at least two Autopians who get better durability out of the Collinites, and well..the FK1000`s look isn`t always right for everybody`s everything.

But yeah...our impressions sound spot-on identical for the products I`ve used, and thanks for confirming that UPP being the same stuff. I`ve never noticed any significan diffs between the two versions I have (one is blueish, one is biege, can`t remember which is newest). I also have their Spray Sealant, which was the only commonly available product like that for quite a while...not that it was anything great shakes, but at least it didn`t stain trim/etc.

Hey, one more thing...watch the two Collinites and see if the diffs between them fade over time/with washing. Just, uhm..see what, if anything happens along those lines and if you think of it post about anything you do/don`t observe.

And "yes indeed" about the forceful impact of a hard rain. Upside is the self-cleaning effect with some of those LSPs, downside is how it does kill some LSPs pretty fast.

 

[acuRAS82]

Hey, one more thing...watch the two Collinites and see if the diffs between them fade over time/with washing. Just, uhm..see what, if anything happens along those lines and if you think of it post about anything you do/don`t observe

Absolutely, I’ll keep this in mind and document what I see.

 

[acuRAS82]

Update 5/4/20:

Car has been driven non-stop to avoid my son and I living through mass boredom (lucky for me he loves car rides). We go storm chasing. Car has been outside at all times. Lots of rain last week. The car has gone ~1000 miles in the 11 or so days since application.

The car has been washed twice with glossless soap. Below are hose shots showing beading/sheeting at ~2sec and ~5sec after hose spraying was stopped:

Hood:

Observation of sheeting performance:
1) WG SiO2 PS
2) Four Star UPP
3) Jescar Powerlock
4) WG DGPS
5) BF Sealant


Trunk lid:

Observation of sheeting performance:
1) PNS
2) WG SiO2 PS
3) Collinite 476
4) Collinite 845
5) FK1000p


Back roof:

Observation of sheeting performance:
1) WG SiO2 PS
2) PBL Sealant
3) PA Master Sealant
4) Mckees Hi Def
5) HD Poxy


Front roof:

Forgot to take pics. 915 sheeting quite faster than EX-P.



Overall thoughts on beading/sheeting combined:
1) PNS sheets and beads best
2) WG SiO2 sheets and beads best

- I don’t want to make bold observations about the remaining products on different sections, angles, etc., so I’ll group the remainders:

3-7) Real good group - UPP, PBL, 476, 915, 845
8-13) Medium group - PL, DGPS, BF, PA MS, M37 Hi Def, FK1000p
14-15) Meh group - HD Poxy, PB EX-P

 

[Accumulator]

acuRAS82- Gee, your results with the FK are so utterly different from mine that I`m simply astounded. No [crap], that just blows me away! I never would`ve stuck with, much less become a fanboy for, the FK had it performed that poorly for me. !YMMV! indeed!

 

[acuRAS82]

acuRAS82- Gee, your results with the FK are so utterly different from mine that I`m simply astounded. No [crap], that just blows me away! I never would`ve stuck with, much less become a fanboy for, the FK had it performed that poorly for me. !YMMV! indeed!

Maybe it’s the single coat? Maybe my application was sloppy?

I applied thinly. Rather than buff of after 10-15 minutes I probably let it sit for 25-30 minutes. Then lightly buffed off. I have no doubt that multiple coats would have given me some of the more vaunted characteristics. But still.

Or this paint just doesn’t like certain LSPs which I have been experiencing recently.

 

[Accumulator]

Maybe it’s the single coat? Maybe my application was sloppy?

I`m not even gonna venture a *guess*...and I`m sure not gonna knee-jerk to "user-error" either. Heh heh, I`m confident that you didn`t somehow botch up applying a paste wax/sealant...I mean, what? Ya smear it on, let it flash, buff it off, done.

I hope that`s not sounding like a cop-out, but when I`m clueless I`m gonna admit it. I mean..[Accumulator thinks "gee!" again]..I even apply mine over top of AIOs/etc. that leave stuff behind, which some find, uhm...questionable. I`ve used dried-out stuff that I "reactivated" with FK425 without ever having it underperform that fast. If anything, I would`ve expected *your* case to work out better than mine since you were consciously trying to do a good objective Autopian-level test whereas I`m just trying to get the thing waxed so I can get on with my life

And I *am* taking into account the travel/use it`s received since application, not all that different from what some of mine go through (e.g., the FK`ed Crown Vic has been through *MUCH* worse and still stayed "just LSPed").

If I *had* to venture a guess, I`d say that there`s some kind of benefit from doing more than one coat, although I then think of how many times I`ve done/recommended "just one until after the next wash".

Heh heh, I can sure burn up bandwidth thinking out loud when something surprises me Guess this will be another of those "OTOH..." disclaimers I`ll be mentioning when recommending the stuff.

 

[acuRAS82]

I`m not even gonna venture a *guess*...and I`m sure not gonna knee-jerk to "user-error" either. Heh heh, I`m confident that you didn`t somehow botch up applying a paste wax/sealant...I mean, what? Ya smear it on, let it flash, buff it off, done.

I hope that`s not sounding like a cop-out, but when I`m clueless I`m gonna admit it. I mean..[Accumulator thinks "gee!" again]..I even apply mine over top of AIOs/etc. that leave stuff behind, which some find, uhm...questionable. I`ve used dried-out stuff that I "reactivated" with FK425 without ever having it underperform that fast. If anything, I would`ve expected *your* case to work out better than mine since you were consciously trying to do a good objective Autopian-level test whereas I`m just trying to get the thing waxed so I can get on with my life

And I *am* taking into account the travel/use it`s received since application, not all that different from what some of mine go through (e.g., the FK`ed Crown Vic has been through *MUCH* worse and still stayed "just LSPed").

If I *had* to venture a guess, I`d say that there`s some kind of benefit from doing more than one coat, although I then think of how many times I`ve done/recommended "just one until after the next wash".

Heh heh, I can sure burn up bandwidth thinking out loud when something surprises me Guess this will be another of those "OTOH..." disclaimers I`ll be mentioning when recommending the stuff.

I’m at a bit of a loss too. For any test results where I get unusual results I’ve been re-applying to my other car’s roof. I will probably do 1 coat of this and on half of that area I will apply 1 coat a week later just to make myself feel better.

 

[Accumulator]

acuRAS82- Heh heh, I`m willing to just chalk it up to Life`s [freakin`] Imponderables and say "!YMMV!"

Hey, plenty of my LSP durability experiences have differed from other people`s (along with a lot of other Detailing things!) and that doesn`t mean that some product/process/Detailer is right/wrong.

 

[acuRAS82]

Update 05/21/20 (~1 month)

Took some pics on 5/21 after washing with Hyper Wash. The car has been driven +1200 miles since last update on 5/4, around 2300 miles since application. As I mentioned in some other test threads, I used what turned out to be a harsh wash soap a few times at the beginning of May which seemed to put a dent in some of the sealants` performances. That was an unknown at the time (the harshness of the soap) and this test was supposed to only be torture via lots of miles and spring weather (lots of rain, lots of pollen). But have only used Reset and Hyper Wash since the 5/4 update (7 washes total) and *most* of the performances have remained pretty similar.

For the pics, I began at the time of hose spray turning off and then a few shots within 10 seconds.


Hood:
Reference

After Wash:

Observation of performance:
1) WG SiO2 PS
2) Four Star UPP (close second!)
3) Jescar Powerlock
T-4) WG DGPS
T-4) BF Sealant

Trunk:
Reference

After wash

Observation of performance:
1) PNS
2) WG SiO2 PS
T-3) FK1000p
T-3) Collinite 476
5) Collinite 845




Back Roof:
Reference

After Wash:

Observation of performance:
1) WG SiO2 PS
2) PBL Sealant
3) Mckees Hi Def
4) PA Master Sealant
5) HD Poxy




Front Roof:
Reference

After Wash:

Observation of performance:
1) Collinite 915
2) Poorboy`s EX-P




Overall subjective rankings at 1 month (beading/sheeting/overall performance):
1) PNS beads best (#1 overall performer)
2) WG SiO2 sheets best (#2 overall performer)
3) UPP (surprisingly great)
4) PBL Sealant
T-5) Powerlock
T-5) 476
T-5) FK1000p
8) 915
9) M37 Hi Def
10) 845
11) WG DGPS
12) BF PS
13) PA MS
14) Poorboys EX-P
15) HD Poxy

I did my best with these given, different products on different sections. NOTE that I also tested and took pics before washing but I can’t fit them all on this thread.
As always, this isn`t perfect science. Just some fun [/COLOR]

 

[Accumulator]

acuRAS82- Indeed interesting, even if my baby didn`t fare well. I agree about the UPP being a surprise, that stuff has *NEVER* lasted for me, absolutely needs redone at every wash even though I used their whole system instead of applying over an AIO/etc.

But/and I sure see what you mean about that paint killing LSPs! It`s like the latest repaint of the A8`s rear bumpercover where *nothing* lasts longer than a month or so (the adjacent panels will go many times that easy, as it used to do before that paint went on).

EDIT: Gee, your test did only span about *one month*. You`re one, uhm...understanding/patient guy to live with a whole car being like that.

 

[acuRAS82]

acuRAS82- Indeed interesting, even if my baby didn`t fare well. I agree about the UPP being a surprise, that stuff has *NEVER* lasted for me, absolutely needs redone at every wash even though I used their whole system instead of applying over an AIO/etc.

But/and I sure see what you mean about that paint killing LSPs! It`s like the latest repaint of the A8`s rear bumpercover where *nothing* lasts longer than a month or so (the adjacent panels will go many times that easy, as it used to do before that paint went on).

EDIT: Gee, your test did only span about *one month*. You`re one, uhm...understanding/patient guy to live with a whole car being like that.

Test isn’t even over! And the patience is killing me but I have the vertical panels of all my vehicles to play around with for my own amusement. Literally all 3 cars have good and roof tests. Once I end these tests in June, I’m taking a test break.

BYW, maybe they reformulated UPP since you bought your last bottle. Do you recall what year you bought it?

 

[Accumulator]

acuRAS82- I just *bet* you`re ready for a break!

I`d actually be surprised if they *haven`t* reformulated the UPP. No real idea when I got it...but the one bottle (either the tan product or the blue one, can`t even remember which came first any more!) was literally v1.0 first release and the other was in the first batch of v2.0. We *are* talking well over a decade but not much earllier than `05..And FWIW, the last time I did the S8 they both still worked same as when new.

A guy (now MIA) here, whose name I forget, used it on his blue....uhm...?Acura? and raved about it and I liked how it came across. Immediately discovered it would *NOT* bond right to my 1Z ProMP, but otherwise liked it`s look/slickness/user-friendly nature. BUT...quickly discovered there was basically zero durability or protection, basically it was like a synthetic liquid Souveran with regard to its functional characteristics, at least IMO.

 

[acuRAS82]

Update 6/18/20 (5 weeks):
The Acura continues to live it`s life outside. Took in a lot of pollen throughout May but I was washing it a lot because I`m a fighter and I fight losing battles all the time. I still drive this car a lot. The X5 M has been relegated to beuty sleep in the garage for the last few weeks due to a correction and recoat, plus some time avoiding pollen prior to that.

Anyways, to speed up the testing I started using the Four Star soap (I always complain about it being harsh) to see if that would separate the pack. The below pics are right after the wash and rinse process. I tried for 1, 2, 4 and 6 seconds after hose ending. Sometimes more, sometimes less pictures depending on the action occurring.

Hood:
Reference

After Wash:

Observation of performance (ranking):
1) WG SiO2 PS
2) Four Star UPP
T-3) WG DGPS
T-3) BF Sealant
5) Jescar Powerlock

Trunk:
Reference

After wash

Observation of performance (ranking):
1) PNS
2) WG SiO2 PS
3) FK1000p
4) Collinite 476
5) Collinite 845




Back Roof:
Reference

After Wash:

Observation of performance (ranking):
1) WG SiO2 PS
2) PBL Sealant
T-3) PA Master Sealant
T-3 Mckees Hi Def
5) HD Poxy




Front Roof:
Reference

After Wash:

Observation of performance (ranking):
1) Poorboy`s EX-P
2) Collinite 915 (surprising)


Overall subjective rankings at 2 month (beading/sheeting/overall performance):
1) PNS
2) WG SiO2
3) UPP
4) PBL Sealant
5) FK1000p
6) 476
7) PA MS
8) M37 Hi Def
9) WG DGPS
10) BF PS
11) 845
12) Poorboys EX-P
13) Powerlock
14) 915
15) HD Poxy

The top 6 order I feel good about. The rest gets pretty tough to compare different panels and such, but I tried my best!

 

[Accumulator]

AcuRAS82- Gee, I`m utterly astounded by the UPP performance! That stuff was strictly a "synthetic beauty wax" for me with zero protection or durability. Maybe they`ve changed it.

I do wonder what kind of wildcard that particular paint might be contributing...

 

[acuRAS82]

AcuRAS82- Gee, I`m utterly astounded by the UPP performance! That stuff was strictly a "synthetic beauty wax" for me with zero protection or durability. Maybe they`ve changed it.

I do wonder what kind of wildcard that particular paint might be contributing...

I’m astounded too. Blown away actually. I should probably throw a bit on a panel on my wife’s car just to observe. While the Acura paint has given some weird (usually disappointing) results, I’m still shocked. I’ll see what I can do about testing on something else, but it will take weeks/months to confirm which sucks.

 

[acuRAS82]

In case anyone questions whether WG, BF, Powerlock are still alive based on my one-handed quick pic snaps yesterday, I do get to see my paint all the time and I will call them dead when I think they are 80-90% dead (totally subjective, I know). Basically I’m saying that some of these sheet fairly slow after two months, but there’s no doubt that they are still protecting when seen during a normal rain of any intensity.

Anyways, here is the hood from moments ago during a downpour. I ran to an overhang at Duncan just to snap some real rain shots for you all!

And upon arrival home after rain mostly stopped:

 

[Accumulator]

acuRAS82- If not for the Test you`re running, I`d want to reLSP (at least) some of those panels at this point, if only to stay ahead of the curve. Though with that particular paint it might be hard to stay ahead...

 

[acuRAS82]

acuRAS82- If not for the Test you`re running, I`d want to reLSP (at least) some of those panels at this point, if only to stay ahead of the curve. Though with that particular paint it might be hard to stay ahead...

If not for the test, I would have re-applied all but the top 3 (maybe #4 too) about 2-3 weeks ago. . Granted, I am going out if my way to “real-life” torture these via miles/bad-weather-driving/wash cycles way more than I would normally (I don’t always go chasing T-storms just for fun).

 

[Accumulator]

acuRAS82- Heh heh, you`re taking one for the team in more ways than one with that test

(I don’t always go chasing T-storms just for fun)

Heh heh, hard to predict *what* Autopians will do for fun!

 

[acuRAS82]

Update 07/18/2020 (1 week short of 3 months)

Pics taken from hose turn-off, then every 2-3 seconds; then final pic is after a full minute.

Note that many appear to be either barely alive (sheet at the end of one minute duration) or pretty dead (still standing water after one minute). I admit, the difference between “Barely alive” and “Pretty dead” may be only based on whether the panel has slope. Like how the roof doesn’t sheet at all after a minute. This is the disadvantage of not have one massive panel to test on. Either way, barely alive and pretty dead are both in the situation that any of us would have replaced by now.



Hood

- Still well:
1) Wolfgang SiO2
2) Four Star UPP

- Barely alive or pretty dead (takes a minute to sheet)
3) Jescar PL
4) WG DGPS
5) BF


Back Roof

- Still well:
1) Wolfgang SiO2

- Pretty dead
3D Poxy, PA MS, M37 High Def, PBL PS


Trunk

- Still well:
1) Sonax PNS
2) Wolfgang SiO2

- Barely alive (takes a minute to sheet):
3) FK1000p
4) Collinite 476
5) Collinite 845

Front Roof

- Barely alive:
1) Collinite 915

- Pretty dead:
Poorboys EX-P



Attempt at ranking based on remaining performance to this point:

- Legitimately still going:
1) Sonax PNS
2) Wolfgang SiO2
3) Four Star UPP

- We would replace, but probably still protecting:
4) FK1000p
5) WG DGPS
6) Collinite 915
7) Jescar PL
8) Collinite 476
9) BF PS
10) Collinite 845

- Barely protecting or totally dead:
3D Poxy,
PA MS,
M37 Hi Def,
PBL PS
Poorboys EX-P


I did my best, lol. And took into account that the panels on this car take the brunt of sun/rain/weather in the following order IMO based simply on angles:
Roof
Trunk
Hood