Why is this happening to me !!! - Foam Pad Trauma

The guy has a problem with the pads, hardly what I would consider slander. Fact of the matter is, the people who sell products are not complaining when they get rave reviews and when someone has a problem, they should post about it as well to try and solve it. Its a 2 way street.
 
Changeling said:
But, it's the responsibility of the individuals having the problem to make the complaint and request a response to the forum itself.



I would do what 05corolla has done. I'd contact the manufacturer, but I'd also investigate within this forum if there might be something other than a product issue in play. I'd want to know if my washing method was inappropriate for the pad. That kind of info is often better received from a user group than the official "supported methods" statement from the manufacturer.



There's no harm in pursuing information from both channels and that's all that's been done in this case, IMHO.
 
If you run your Porter Cable at speed 6 and put pressure on the machine over a lengthy period it may cause problems on the adhesion due to heat. If you soak your pads in dishwashing detergents (Dawn) or laundry detergents for a period of time it will attack the glue on the velcro
 
How carefully do you take a pad off the machine. Some backing plates have stronger velcro than others and I do it extremely gently and slowly as my edge backing plate's velcro is like a dog's jaws - they won't let go without a fight.



The standard makita plate's velcro was much weaker. I know some detailers just RIP the pads off and surely that must affect bonding.
 
SVR said:
How carefully do you take a pad off the machine. Some backing plates have stronger velcro than others and I do it extremely gently and slowly as my edge backing plate's velcro is like a dog's jaws - they won't let go without a fight.



The standard makita plate's velcro was much weaker. I know some detailers just RIP the pads off and surely that must affect bonding.



Thats a good point - my meguiars backing plate on the rotary has a very tight grip on the pads (which is a reassuring thing), and so I am always very careful in removing the pads gently from the plate. The PC backing plates I have (Sonus, and Meguiars) seem to have a weaked grip on the pads tho but I can still see how ripping them off with affect the velcro on the pad and possibly cause deliamination.
 
Different types of hooks(Plate) will work differently with the various loops(Velcro on pad)



3M loop won't stick to many of the backing plates I have laying around here, but that's because the 3M plates(that I have, anyway) use the most aggressive hooks available.



On the flip side, there are some pads laying around here that, when put on the 3M backing plate.... become nearly impossible to remove without tearing the foam. I had to attack one pad with a razor knife and literally cut it away from the plate.





As far as the original topic of pad delamination:



Every single manufacturer that uses a hook and loop system is going to have those issues to some degree. The only exception that I'm aware of is our scalloped-edge pads. But that infallible velcro hold is gained at the cost of our ability to modify the back of the pad in any way. (Recess, bevel, etc)



For all of our other pads, we use a special adhesive that is better than most, but the recipe for making a good connection involves heat, time, and pressure. If you don't have a perfect balance of the three things, bad things can happen. Problems are rare for us, but it does happen.



Foam type also plays a role in how well the velcro will hold. Low PPI foams by nature, simply have less to hold on to.



There's nothing stopping you from gluing the velcro back on though. I would suggest a bottle of Gorilla Glue in the garage for any pad delamination woes.
 
Cleaning Fool said:
Agree about Gorilla Glue..Can find it at Target or Wal-Mart..I recently picked up a bottle at Target for some minor repairs



I have been using Gorilla Glue for a long time around the house, in every situation you can think of!! It is absolutely awesome!

Tips: Buy a small container of the glue, little go's a long way.

Put it on both surfaces thoroughly but lightly.

Put something on the glued object to hold it down firmly.

If worried about the above weight sticking to the glue use a piece of "WAX" paper between the weight and object.



Cleaning Fool, you know your glue's, it really is a great product.:goodjob



Changeling
 
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