AeroCleanse
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Takes me about 20-30 min to wash and dry a car using ONR. Depending on the wheel, thats where it can really slow you down.
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integritydetail said:The only timesavers you will ever find are in reducing your trips around the car... Buy a couple of caddys to make moving around the car quicker....
jopa489 said:I'd rather be thorough than shave 20 minutes off and do a half-assed job.
MichaelM said:What's to say that a slower job is more thorough?
The difference between a hobbyist doing an hour and a half wash and a pro doing the same in a third of the time is two fold. One, a pro will be set-up properly and have an efficient process. No wandering around the car, no excess movement and every step in the process leads to the next while covering all the bases. The second is motivation and hustle. If I take an hour and a half to wash a car I wouldn't have any repeat customers, they'd be bored to death waiting and irritated that they just lost half a morning (I own a fixed location shop so customers come to me). I also wouldn't be able to keep my doors open very long because you cannot charge enough money for a simple wash, dry and QD to cover an hour and a half worth of garage time.
One of my trained technicians can perform a wash & dry with wheels, jambs and tire dressing on a medium sized car in 20-30 minutes.
MichaelM said:What's to say that a slower job is more thorough?
The difference between a hobbyist doing an hour and a half wash and a pro doing the same in a third of the time is two fold. One, a pro will be set-up properly and have an efficient process. No wandering around the car, no excess movement and every step in the process leads to the next while covering all the bases. The second is motivation and hustle. If I take an hour and a half to wash a car I wouldn't have any repeat customers, they'd be bored to death waiting and irritated that they just lost half a morning (I own a fixed location shop so customers come to me). I also wouldn't be able to keep my doors open very long because you cannot charge enough money for a simple wash, dry and QD to cover an hour and a half worth of garage time.
One of my trained technicians can perform a wash & dry with wheels, jambs and tire dressing on a medium sized car in 20-30 minutes.
Anthony A said:Not in my case. My process and technique are not the problem. The reason my washes take a lot longer than a pro is because I can guarantee you a pro will not put the attention to detail into washing my car that I do. Time is money for them and they couldn't put the same attention into it unless they were charging a huge amount an hour.
MichaelM said:Your problem, like many people today, is that you expect too much and you aren't willing to pay for good work.
If you go to a detail shop and ask them to do the wash that you do for the price that they normally charge for wash then no doubt you'll leave disappointed. Matter of fact it would be silly for a shop to even accept the job.
On the other hand if you come to me and say, "I want you to do X,Y, and Z and bill me for your time", then I can guarantee you that I'll do at least the same job, if not better than, you can do. In this case I'd usually go a bit above and beyond what was asked because that is the type of customer I , and any business, really wants.
MichaelM said:Your problem, like many people today, is that you expect too much and you aren't willing to pay for good work.
If you go to a detail shop and ask them to do the wash that you do for the price that they normally charge for wash then no doubt you'll leave disappointed. Matter of fact it would be silly for a shop to even accept the job.
On the other hand if you come to me and say, "I want you to do X,Y, and Z and bill me for your time", then I can guarantee you that I'll do at least the same job, if not better than, you can do. In this case I'd usually go a bit above and beyond what was asked because that is the type of customer I , and any business, really wants.
Scottwax said:With ONR, it takes me under an hour to wash a full sized car, including wheels, tires, fenderwells, and jambs. I've been doing this a really long time, so that helps.
15951 said:Truthfully, most of us that are on this site (and not pros) perform more of a mini detail than a wash. A "basic" wash for me on a weekend includes wheel barrels, cleaning the wheel wells, getting underneath rocker panels, scrubbing the exhaust tips, etc. Drying includes all the odds and ends, including opening the hood and wiping down the sides of the hood, wiping the engine cover, making sure kick plates are wiped off while I have the doors open, etc. Then the interior gets vacuumed and quick detailed, and I usually clean the inside of the windows.
I can get this done in a couple of hours, but a pro would probably expect $100 or more for this level of detail. Truthfully, I don't consider car washing worth $50/hour. I'll gladly pay GENEROUSLY for high level paint correction, but a simple wash isn't worth that kind of cash IMO.
In my line of business, we sometimes have discussions about how much we can bill for our time. The conclusion is often that we can bill more for high-level work, but must use lower rates (even for the same person) for "grunt" work. I think detailing is no exception.
Anthony A said:I don't pay because I don't need to. Everything I need to do to my car I can do no problem. In fact I wouldn't let another human being touch my car because they can't do anything to it I can't and I know it will be done properly.
I guarantee you or any other pro will not pay the same attention to detail to my car that I do. For example today I spent 6 hours just on my interior. The interior to everybody else looked show room before I even did the detail but I still took 6 hours because I am OCD about my vehicles. Nobody will care about your cars as much as you do.