In the past I used GC and #26 on my showcar. But when I had it painted recently fisheyes developed in the new paint. The body shop had washed several times to remove all oils before painting, so they say the silicones in the waxes I used were the culprit. I want to avoid silicones as much as possible, because the car will be reworked almost every off-season and I don't want to deal with fisheyes in the future. So the main question is, which waxes contain absolutely no silicone? In some of the threads that I've searched, it's suggested that even though some mgrs. will claim their products are silicone-free, this may not in fact be the case. If there are no suitable waxes, can I get away with simply polishing and/or glazing every weekend? BTW, the car is a garage queen and rarely sees daily driving.
Which waxes do NOT contain silicones?
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You were given a lame excuse. That is totally the body shop's fault IMO. Washing alone is not sufficient. They should have used Prepsol to completely strip anything on the paint. The reason you have fisheyes is their incompetence.
I would not worry about the products you use. The two you mentioned are fine. In the future, before you take it to a shop for painting, I would suggest you perform the bulk of the paint prep for them. This is what the Prepsol looks like:
<img src=http://image1.villagephotos.com/pubimage.asp?id_=426603>
It comes in smaller spray bottles too and can be purchased from automotive paint suppliers.
I would not worry about the products you use. The two you mentioned are fine. In the future, before you take it to a shop for painting, I would suggest you perform the bulk of the paint prep for them. This is what the Prepsol looks like:
<img src=http://image1.villagephotos.com/pubimage.asp?id_=426603>
It comes in smaller spray bottles too and can be purchased from automotive paint suppliers.
laynlow, thanks for the quick reply. :xyxthumbs Incompetence is what I suspected but I'm not the type to start a fight over it if I can avoid it. Looks like I'll pick up some Prepsol next visit to CarQuest so I can stop popping the Tylenols. BTW, here's a recent photo of my car:
I have to agree with laynlow. It is the body shop's job to properly prep the paint. Unless they are complete idiots, they absolutely know that most waxes contain some silicones and that washing alone is not enough. Hell, when I took a body shop class at a community college when I was a senior in high school, we used products after washing to make sure any trace of wax, silicones or oils were completely eliminated-and this was 23 years ago.
JasonC8301
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laynlow said it correctly, must use a prep solvent to remove everything, washing won't cut it.
I may be out on a limb on this, but I think more car waxes/sealants have silicone in them, just varying in concentrations and type.
Jason
I may be out on a limb on this, but I think more car waxes/sealants have silicone in them, just varying in concentrations and type.
Jason
imported_Intel486
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It is the cheap silicone that is dangerous. Safe silcones are from the siloxane or amino function family.
I also agree they didn't prep the surface properly...
I also agree they didn't prep the surface properly...
Are fisheyes those tiny round marks on my hood that I can only see from certain angles in fluorescent lighting? They sort of look like the paint didn't quite cover as well there.
Is there anything short of having the hood repainted that can be done about them? How about colour sanding?
Is there anything short of having the hood repainted that can be done about them? How about colour sanding?
Hahahaha! It's funny you mention that, because one of my friends with a black Alero was talking to me about how he had this problem with his paint. From his description I was thinking clearcoat failure or some kind of fisheye. When I went to see it, it was a very large, but very obvious, crusty blob of tree sap! I picked at it experimentally and he freaked out and yelled, "Don't touch it!! I have to take it to the dealer!!" Hahaha! Good times......ejant said:
Back on-topic, my parents had a side of their van repainted (attempted break in) a couple days after I applied some NuFinish, and while the quality of a lot of other things is questionable, the paint itself looks good and still does a month later. I don't think they encountered any problems.
If the shop had someone using, or somebody within adjacent or near the shop was using, any spray tire shine product (i.e. Armor-All or any of it's clones) in the same building/area the paint was sprayed, this is a possibility also. Silicone can travel upwind as much as 1/4 mile and contaminate the work enviornment. This I learned from a guy I've know for years that operates a high end (Porsche, Ferrari, Mercedes etc. ) body shop in my town.
They would (should) of course know this and hopefully be aware of any nearby detailers or businesses doing this, but...you never know . You can use Prepsol all day long, but if silicone is in the air during the spraying, it won't matter. Not every shop has a booth either.
We all know about the "devil in the details" kind of thing, but if they aren't careful in every way, it can come back and bite them, and of course, the customer too.
I'm not discounting that they perhaps didn't prep properly, but i wanted to bring this other possibility up also. I hope you can get it taken care of.
P.S.Fish eye eliminator can weaken the durability of the paint BTW, so it would be best that the shop find the cause and eliminate it , instead of simply compensating for it.
They would (should) of course know this and hopefully be aware of any nearby detailers or businesses doing this, but...you never know . You can use Prepsol all day long, but if silicone is in the air during the spraying, it won't matter. Not every shop has a booth either.
We all know about the "devil in the details" kind of thing, but if they aren't careful in every way, it can come back and bite them, and of course, the customer too.
I'm not discounting that they perhaps didn't prep properly, but i wanted to bring this other possibility up also. I hope you can get it taken care of.
P.S.Fish eye eliminator can weaken the durability of the paint BTW, so it would be best that the shop find the cause and eliminate it , instead of simply compensating for it.