Which products contain excessive silicon?

DavidB said:
If the detailer is doing work at the body shop... you bet. Then it is an issue.
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It would also be useful for amateurs like me who'd like an idea what is best to use on a car (or what to be sure is thoroughly removed) before sending a car in for bodywork.

DavidB said:
If a polish is body shop safe, it should state "Body shop safe" on the label.
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I know there are some companies out there (cough *FK1* cough) that IMO has quality products, but some would debate their claims of "Body Shop Safe" across so much of their product line, including LSPs. Besides, does BSS mean it's safe to use *after* a repaint or that it's safe to use on paint before it's painted? In another recent thread there were claims that Optimum has a wax that is safely paintable.
 
velobard said:
It would also be useful for amateurs like me who'd like an idea what is best to use on a car (or what to be sure is thoroughly removed) before sending a car in for bodywork.
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Maybe with Earl Scheib (no ups, no extras, no PREP), but any responsible body shop will properly prep your car. We've been through this silicone thing more than a few times, here's a few samples:



http://autopia.org/forum/detailing-...car-care-products.html?highlight=bad+silicone



http://autopia.org/forum/detailing-...ng-tire-dressings.html?highlight=bad+silicone



http://autopia.org/forum/car-detail...terbased-products.html?highlight=bad+silicone



http://autopia.org/forum/detailing-...20-armor-all-question.html?highlight=silicone



velobard said:
I know there are some companies out there (cough *FK1* cough) that IMO has quality products, but some would debate their claims of "Body Shop Safe" across so much of their product line, including LSPs. Besides, does BSS mean it's safe to use *after* a repaint or that it's safe to use on paint before it's painted? In another recent thread there were claims that Optimum has a wax that is safely paintable.
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If you take a look at the 3rd page in this link I posted previously http://www.dowcorning.com/content/publishedlit/26-1382-01.pdf you will notice that there are a range of silicones that are paintable that can be used for "Exterior Wax, Conditioner, and Sealant". Silicones are everywhere, in our car products, foods, medicines, cosmetics. If you can get the silicone out of your car-care products, make sure your wife (or you) don't touch the car, because there's likely silicones in her hand cream, makeup, etc.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Maybe with Earl Scheib (no ups, no extras, no PREP), but any responsible body shop will properly prep your car. We've been through this silicone thing more than a few times, here's a few samples:



http://autopia.org/forum/detailing-...car-care-products.html?highlight=bad+silicone



http://autopia.org/forum/detailing-...ng-tire-dressings.html?highlight=bad+silicone



http://autopia.org/forum/car-detail...terbased-products.html?highlight=bad+silicone



http://autopia.org/forum/detailing-...20-armor-all-question.html?highlight=silicone







If you take a look at the 3rd page in this link I posted previously http://www.dowcorning.com/content/publishedlit/26-1382-01.pdf you will notice that there are a range of silicones that are paintable that can be used for "Exterior Wax, Conditioner, and Sealant". Silicones are everywhere, in our car products, foods, medicines, cosmetics. If you can get the silicone out of your car-care products, make sure your wife (or you) don't touch the car, because there's likely silicones in her hand cream, makeup, etc.
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Good points as silicone's have been one of the most overblown controversies on this forum.
 
I think we have all learned over the years not to believe "everything" you see on TV, now if we can just learn the same goes for the internet we will all be OK :D
 
Yet another link:



http://autopia.org/forum/car-detail...tween-solvent-water-based.html?highlight=pdms



There's a thoughtful post on the first page by chml17l - I'm in agreement with the last statement: "It all comes down to really being more of a personal preference. Both (solvent and water based) have their advantages and it shouldn't be turned into a silicone "BAD" water-based "GOOD" argument." It would just be helpful to know which products belong into what category without having to buy a slew of them first (My pocketbook would thank you).



This topic is probably old news to you folks but is informative to newbies like me who's still wrestling with the search engine. Perhaps someone could sticky the best thread if this subject is not up for repeat discussion.
 
Silicone of some sort is here to stay .Most of your sealants are some kind of silicone. Most of your caranuba waxes have silicone in them. All your cleaner waxes and most of your QDs have silicone . You will just have to live with it.
 
Just for everybodys information silicone came out in car waxes/polishes in 1947 when Autobrite put 2% silicone in there liquid car polish. If you take away silicone , what do you have? Simonize Paste Wax , If you would try Simonize you would be glad to have silicone back.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Maybe with Earl Scheib (no ups, no extras, no PREP), but any responsible body shop will properly prep your car.
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Well, all I can say is that from too much personal experience with this in the past year, you better watch your own back to a fair extent regardless of where you take your car. The prep guys they hire at volume bodyshops are all-too-often junior-level, inexperienced hacks that don't know or don't care how to do a proper job. This certainly isn't always the case, but I've seen it in enough different shops to know to beware of it. The shop I go to now is a 1-man operation with a guy that caters to classic restorations and is used to picky customers. I wouldn't be willing to gamble on the same level of skill and devotion with the typical shop on an insurance company "preferred" list.
 
velobard said:
...are all-too-often junior-level, inexperienced hacks that don't know or don't care how to do a proper job.
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I think you just described what seems like 90% of the "service economy". I hear ya...but I could also argue that if that's who's working on your car, you've got a lot more to worry about than fish eyes.
 
My son is a painter for high end cars , Benz , Bmw , Lex , ect.... When they get a car in they honestly have no idea what wax has been on the car from the dealer to the 1st,2nd or even 3rd owner.



I recently asked him about AW and the polishes because they are so wet looking. His opinion is not to even worry about it , a lot of OTC products that have claims of great gloss are loaded with silicone ( he mentioned NXT). For a good body shop and painter this will not be an issue , like I said since they never know what they are getting with a car that comes in , the ness. precautions are always taken. He never has a problem. he also it very versed in the chemistry and knows his stuff.
 
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