Which LSP and why?
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imported_DieselMDX
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wash megs qd then fuzion
willtothewong
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that fuzion deal is sooo tempting
Accumulator
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jDizzle said:
I use KSG on our minivan. If you want that kind of durability you'd better apply numerous layers
I use that on our other dog-hauling vehicle. It's durability is similar IME to the KSG but you have to be a little more careful layering it lest you run into solvent-effect issues.
Absolutely :xyxthumbs Especially with the KSG, which I only use on finishes I can get/keep basically 100% perfect. The 476S is a little more forgiving.
calhoun1 said:
If you want to layer stuff, don't use something like IPA because it'll strip off whatever's currently on there, then it won't be a case of *layering* at all.
lostdaytomorrow
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What would be the best sealant to use under Souveran Paste for better durability?
aclassvaleting
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if you experienced jeffs werkstatt products you may just give wax a miss:2thumbs:
Accumulator
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lostdaytomorrow said:
I really dunno :nixweiss
Since you'll eventually have the "dead wax artifacts" to deal with I don't really see much point in using a lasts-for-months sealant if you're gonna do the wax topper, but that's just me.
I use the Autoglym SRP because it's an All-In-One that lasts a while and provides more, uhm...sealant effect than Klasse AIO (at least IME...note all the qualifiers/disclaimers; different people have different experiences). The Zaino AIO would be another similar option.
Apollo_Auto
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calhoun1 said:
Regardless of what LSP you choose, it all boils down to the polishing job you've done. In my experience most LSP's will give you relatively the same look. It all depends on how much money you want to spend. I personally wouldn't recommend NXT... I think it's very finicky (forget using it in humid conditions), doesn't spread well and it's a bit too chalky. Though it does seem to fill in light swirl marks much better than any other wax I have, but if you've polished your car you shouldn't have to worry about that. If you don't want to spend a lot of money, get yourself a tin of Colly... very good protection, fairly easy to use and very durable. I think they're great for daily drivers. Which ever wax you choose, do yourself a favor and be happy with your purchase and end the search for the "holy grail" of waxes at that moment... you'll go bankrupt and your wife will probably leave you if you don't
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Accumulator said:
You make a really good point Accumulator, I think I'll just stick with the KAIO then Souveran and see how long the Souveran holds up for me on my daily driver, and if the durability sucks for me like it does for you then i'll try the switch over to solo sealant over KAIO and see how I like the look.
Durability is an interesting "problem." I guess it really depends on how one feels about one's car. My wife's daily drive is a Taurus sedan. I have no affection for this car, so I want a protectant that lasts a good while. I would prefer only having to "wax" it three or four times a year. Right now it is wearing a couple coats of Collinite 845.
But I do have a lot of affection for my daily driver. For her, appearance is more important than durability. I do not mind waxing her every 4-8 weeks during the non-winter months; indeed, Dom Colbeck's advice to strip the wax every two to three months and start afresh with new layers of protectant makes great sense to me for my car. I want her looking her best, within reasonable expectations for a daily driver.
Does that make sense?
Al
But I do have a lot of affection for my daily driver. For her, appearance is more important than durability. I do not mind waxing her every 4-8 weeks during the non-winter months; indeed, Dom Colbeck's advice to strip the wax every two to three months and start afresh with new layers of protectant makes great sense to me for my car. I want her looking her best, within reasonable expectations for a daily driver.
Does that make sense?
Al
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akimel- Yeah, it makes sense..just a matter of what you're gonna prioritize.
Heh heh, no way *I* would ever strip everything off every few months on *anything* (well, with the possible exception of one of the garage-queens but it's easy to *say* that as they don't get driven enough for it to actually happen).
I used to put Collinite on my wife's driver, but it just looks so much better with #16 that I decided to stick with that year-round. She'd really rather have creme glaze topped with Souveran on it, but nah...I have my limits. Oddly enough the durable stuff I'm using on the dog-haulers actually look *good* on those particular paints, lucky me
Heh heh, no way *I* would ever strip everything off every few months on *anything* (well, with the possible exception of one of the garage-queens but it's easy to *say* that as they don't get driven enough for it to actually happen).
I used to put Collinite on my wife's driver, but it just looks so much better with #16 that I decided to stick with that year-round. She'd really rather have creme glaze topped with Souveran on it, but nah...I have my limits. Oddly enough the durable stuff I'm using on the dog-haulers actually look *good* on those particular paints, lucky me
Accumulator said:I used to put Collinite on my wife's driver, but it just looks so much better with #16 that I decided to stick with that year-round. She'd really rather have creme glaze topped with Souveran on it, but nah...I have my limits. Oddly enough the durable stuff I'm using on the dog-haulers actually look *good* on those particular paints, lucky me
I am surprised you can tell that much of a difference between products. For so long as I have read this board, it has been beaten into my head that 95% of the looks come from the prep, the LSP's affect on looks is minimal, it mostly affect protection. You being able to notice a difference makes me think that LSP may affect the looks a bit more than I though.
You mentioned some waxes have more durability than sealants. Other than Collinite waxes, which stick out to you as having more durability? Meg's 16? Any others?
Accumulator
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bert31 said:
It *is* primarily in the prep. Once you get that as good as it's gonna get ("as good as.." for one reason or another, not every vehicle can end up perfect) it's just that some LSPs on some paints do look different to some people. Heh heh, note all those qualifyig "some"s
Don't read too much into how my wife and I are about our vehicles
On Audi silver and the Jag yeah...even subtle differences are readily apparent *to us*. And we have some very strong preferences. But we've been looking at those paints since forever and we just know what we like; it's often a sorta general, binary thing- "looks right"/"looks off". But with the Audis we see 'em side-by-side with different LSPs and so sure, differences are obvious. With the Jag, I want it to look the way it did freshly polished, with no wax on it, when it was new.The '60 Jag showcar I've done for a pal is another example: he knows *exactly* how that paint is "supposed" to look for judging purposes and the right/wrong ~5% that an LSP contributes makes all the difference in the eyes of true *experts* (which does not include me, I just do as I'm told...though I sorta get what the desired look is compared to what other stuff would make it look like).
Heh heh, no way I could tell different LSPs apart on most paints, IU'd just know whether I liked the look or not. Although I've been right quite often with "hey, nice car...is that Zaino?"
Yeah, the #16 holds up pretty well. I can't really say much about others as I don't try many LSPs these days.
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[quote name='bert31']I am surprised you can tell that much of a difference between products. For so long as I have read this board, it has been beaten into my head that 95% of the looks come from the prep, the LSP's affect on looks is minimal, it mostly affect protection. You being able to notice a difference makes me think that LSP may affect the looks a bit more than I though.
You mentioned some waxes have more durability than sealants. Other than Collinite waxes, which stick out to you as having more durability? Meg's 16? Any others?
One Grand Blitz wax.
You mentioned some waxes have more durability than sealants. Other than Collinite waxes, which stick out to you as having more durability? Meg's 16? Any others?
One Grand Blitz wax.
Accumulator
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Streetlife said:
Blitz never gets much attention around here these days, but it used to be *the* LSP at Autopia. I hear you gotta be careful not to get it on trim though.
Horseman2475
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Would the Danase Glaze work okay under the Fuzion Wax?
imported_DieselMDX
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imo yes it would