Which 3M product to buy?

Hmm, I don't use a rotary so I wonder if I would see the same results you are by only using a PC? The thing that keeps popping in my head here is if I already have 1Z UPP, PP, and MP do I even need to bother with these 3M products at all? I just fell in love with the 3M PI II RC when I first used it on my mother's black Mercedes, but maybe I would have seen the very same results using UPP. Since 3M MG is so close to PP and MP and I'm not using a rotary I'm wondering if I'm going to ever use it.
 
JDookie- You certainly *do* have a point there. I like the MG by hand/PC/Cyclo, primarily because of the way it fits between the PP (sorta strong) and the MP (very mild)- it's not like you *need* a rotary to make good use of it (when I used it on the WRX and when I use it on the MPV I didn't/don't use the rotary). But if you can do the job with the MP you probably don't need the 3M stuff. I just don't like using the PP all the time and sometimes I want something that doesn't require an alcohol wipedown to remove what the 1Z stuff leaves behind.



But it's not like you can't do fine with just the three 1z polishes.
 
Here's a question maybe some Menzera and 3m users can answer:



Where would Menzerna FP fit in with relation to 3m PI III MG?



It sounds to me it ought to follow the MG. If that's so I assume the 1z MP would be unnecessary.



Any takers on this one? Thanks.
 
Bill D said:
Where would Menzerna FP fit in with relation to 3m PI III MG?



It sounds to me it ought to follow the MG. If that's so I assume the 1z MP would be unnecessary.



Any takers on this one? Thanks.
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Yeah, the FP is milder than the MG and is comparable to the MP. I know at least one Autopian uses FP after MP as a final polishing step, in part to remove what the MP leaves behind. I tried this, but didn't discern any benefit on Audi clear. I'd pick one or the other, either Menzerna FP or 1z MP.
 
He he, as you know, I have both :D I'm finding one or the other is going to be the companion to my lonely GEPC, never used.
 
Okay, I have a new 3M question. I was just looking at the 3M website again and there are just as many different glazes as there are compounds.



Accumulator mentioned liking 05937 the best, but what is the difference between that and the Show Car Machine Glaze 39012?
 
Accumulator mentioned liking 05937 the best, but what is the difference between that and the Show Car Machine Glaze 39012? [/B][/QUOTE]





They are the same product. 39012 is a 16oz bottle and 05937 is a 32oz bottle. They are both Perfect it III Machine Glaze.
 
JDookie said:
Would PI III FG (05941) be a good product to maybe follow MG (05937) with?
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I think I mentioned this before, but it was lost because of the system crash.



PI III FG is really made to be used over fresh paint. A 3M demo guy mentioned that it offers protection while letting the paint cure, he also said it would hold up for about 3 car washes.



In the 3M brochure of products/steps the final step is 3M PI Show Car Paste Wax for fully cured paint or PI III FG for fresh paint.
 
Speaking of 3M abrasives ... :D



Is there a significant difference between Perfect It III Compound 05933 and Perfect It II (FCRC) 39002?



I have the PI-II. Is the PI-III just the "new & improved" formulation?



Thanks!
 
Eliot,

Thank you for the reply. I DO remember your post now that I see it again and had forgotten that you already addressed this.



Hallo Gallo,

I, too, currently own and use PI II RC. According to the guys who have used both, the PI III is the way to go after we run out. I'm sure you have noticed how bad PI II dusts, PI III isn't supposed to be as bad. Other than that, the only difference is that PI III is a tad bit milder but I'm sure it's still strong enough to do its job.
 
hallo gallo said:
Speaking of 3M abrasives ... ...Is there a significant difference between Perfect It III Compound 05933 and Perfect It II (FCRC) 39002?......
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OK Halo Gallo, I can't take credit for this, but I'll quote a reply from Stevet from another forum (Autopia University > Meg's or 3M?):



"The Perfect III is 3M's newer products. PI III RC and PI II light cut RC are very close in abrasivenes. PI II is slighty more abrasive. I perfer the PI III because it dusts a lot less and leaves a nicer finish."



Actually JDookie you already answered that pretty well, but I did all that cut n' paste and hated to not use it ;) . BTW, how's the weather? Hope you don't/didn't get hit too hard.
 
This has really been a great thread on polishes! :xyxthumbs



Since people were comparing 3M to Einszett earlier ...



I would think that 3M P-III RC is quite a bit closer to 1Z PP than it is to 1Z UPP on the abrasive scale. True?



Thanks again!



Good luck to all Gulf Coast people.
 
Now, is PI III RC ~ 1z PP ~DACP? And is the advantage of the first two that you don't have polish with them forever until they dust for them to break down properly?(unlike DACP)
 
Has anybody used this stuff? I love it.



3Mâ„¢ Perfect-Itâ„¢ III Trizactâ„¢ Machine Glaze 05930, 1 Quart (US),

Ideal for spot/small repair areas. Easy handling and superior finish. Designed to be used with 3Mâ„¢ Trizactâ„¢ Hookitâ„¢ II Foam Discs 02075 and 02077. Removes grade P3000 sand scratches.
 
hallo gallo- Yeah, I'd say the PI-III RC is a lot closer to the PP than the Ultra.



Bill D- I *think* so. With all the "work it forever"/learning curve stuff that gets posted about DACP....well, you don't hear much like that about the other products ;)



agentf- The painter at a shop I patronize (maybe not any longer though :o ) has some of that. Any idea how it compares with the "other" machine glaze (the 05937)? The Trizact stuff felt more abrasive but I was just "finger testing" it.
 
Originally posted by Accumulator

hallo gallo- Yeah, I'd say the PI-III RC is a lot closer to the PP than the Ultra.



Accumulator



Than you are saying 1Z Ultra is more abrasive than PI III RC. How much more? A little or a lot? Is it more abrasive to the point that there is a really noticeable difference? I am looking for something stronger than PI III RC that can be used with a PC. I have read that the 1Z products are all made for Rotary, PC, and hand use.
 
stevet- I'm not sure how to answer the Ultra vs. PI-III RC question....*I* think the Ultra is enough of a jump in aggressiveness that I'll use it when the RC isn't doing the job (or at least isn't doing it fast enough). The Ultra always requires a fair bit of follow-up, more than the RC.



The Ultra is the strongest stuff that *I* will use with a PC/Cyclo. About as strong as I feel comfortable with using a rotary too. *IMO* if the Ultra won't do a job, maybe the job should't be done. But then I'm sorta conservative about trying to get paint absolutely perfect at the expense of its long term durability (I just don't go for thinning the clear too much).



I don't want you to waste money because of some difference in how we evaluate products, but I find the two products different enough to justify having them both on hand. If you get the Ultra and decide it was a waste of money, I bet somebody here will buy it.



You might also want to look into Hi-Temp's Medium Cut. I keep meaning to try it but I haven't (yet).
 
I think I will give the 1Z Ultra a try. I doubt it will be a waste of money. Even if I find that it isn't much different than the PI III RC it will still get used when I run out of RC.:)
 
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