When does meticulous turn into rediculous?

Sounds like a guy I used to work for (doing graphic design). Real anal ***** about stuff that had to add his 2¢ to anything just to say he was a major contributor to the project.



2hrs would've brought you up to his neck of the woods if you came to Mass. Was his name Peter by chance?
 
My auto repair shop of choice has a sign in their office that states their labor rates. On the sign it also says...



Observation of work: Add $5 an hour.

Asking questions: Add $10 an hour.

Telling us how to do the job: Add $20 an hour.
 
I had a similar experience.



I detailed this chicks car (a friend) and she did the same thing... While I am vacuming the drivers side she says. "the passengers side still looks dirty, whats up with that?" my response "i would hope so, i didn't start to vaccum that side yet" she did that THE ENTIRE detail....



Worth it in the end, cause I charged her $200, and she paid it without batting and eye...
 
there is absolutely nothing wrong w/ a discerning customer who wants a job done right....





but the reality is, if they hire you to do a job... they hired you because they had done their research or at least approved of your reputation. Their hiring you was an affirmation in their confidence in you to handle this one job, they could make their decision as to whether they should hire you again based on your work. After your job was done they had every right to go over the car w/ you and point out some problems that they had observed, and if they are discerning enough, then they deserve to have any mistakes or imperfections perfected and corrected. But this is supposed to be AFTER the job is done. This sounds like a very strange and frustrating situation, i would have snapped.



I think it should always be that a detailer should guarantee their work, especially at some of the prices i have heard. Your guarantee shoudl state that if a the customer is not satisfied w/ the job, you will do everything in your reasonable power to rectify the situation. But the most important part of this is that a job is only a job once the job is finished.



i think you just gotta politely tell them, after a point, that you will be happy to go over the whole car w/ them when you are finished and that some things may not appear to be done duirng the process because the process isn't finished.



They sound like republicans
 
Just my two cents as an outsider. Next time you have a customer like this you might try a couple of the following comments:



1) I would love to discuss the entire detail process with you, but when I talk, I can't concentrate as well on what I am doing, and hence cannot do as good of a job as if I focus on the project undisturbed.



2) I prefer that customers look over the car once it is completed as detailing involves numerous steps and how the car looks during the process does not reflect how it will appear when finished. I would love to closely look over the car with you when it is complete. If you have any concerns/issues at that time I will be happy to address/correct them then.



3) I understand you concern about your car, I feel the same way about mine. I treat every customer's car, including yours, as if it were my own. Since you have trusted me enough to detail your car, please let me focus on my work without being interupted so I can do the quality of job I would like to.
 
wicho661 said:
Because registered Republicans (Like myself) are "god fearing nitpickers".



My strive for perfection has nothing to do with my political affiliation but just my own expectations for myself and I expect others to always try to do their best too.



...btw, I don't "fear" God. No need to fear someone who loves you unconditionally. :2thumbs:
 
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Can we please get back on topic? Any more posts on religion or politics in this thread will promptly be dispatched to Davy Jones' locker, matey.



Arrrrrg,

Tort
 
It sucks that sooner or later we all run into people like this. I had a guy with an Enzo who did the exact same thing. Except he asked me all sorts of personal questions about all manner of topics. Some of my favorties were, when he asked me my stance on the feminist movement, what nationalities my bloodline consisted of, (mostly Irish in case you were wondering I know HE was), if my parents were still together (***?), and what my views were on ABORTION of all things. Weird guy, but he was rich so I guess I am supposed to call him ECCENTRIC right?



In the immortal words of the greatest movie of all time, (Clerks), "You know this job would be really great if it wasn't for the friggin customers."
 
TortoiseAWD said:
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Can we please get back on topic? Any more posts on religion or politics in this thread will promptly be dispatched to Davy Jones' locker, matey.



Arrrrrg,

Tort



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Back on topic, I hate it when people breathe down my shoulder.
 
Scottwax said:
My strive for perfection has nothing to do with my political affiliation but just my own expectations for myself and I expect others to always try to do their best too.



...btw, I don't "fear" God. No need to fear someone who loves you unconditionally. :2thumbs:





Just a little more offtopic speak, Im a borderline athiest. So religion doesnt have any inpact in my decision making.



But your point is valid. Political, religious and racial backrounds have nothing to do with a nitpicker or a job well done.



Now back to :waxing:
 
LastDetail said:
In the immortal words of the greatest movie of all time, (Clerks), "You know this job would be really great if it wasn't for the friggin customers."



:LOLOL Ain't that the truth!
 
I have a good friend who is a very good finish carpenter. His carpentry is definitely "Autopian."



He told me that not long ago, he was finishing an upscale house. One day, he walked in, and there were post-it notes from the owner all over the house!!



Imagine that.



He did manage to please the owner, though. It led to even more work and more customers, and no more post-its.



And, yeah, the less politics here, the better. This place is too much fun to go off in that direction : )



Besides, it's football season, and the baseball playoffs are at hand. Better things to argue about.
 
G35stilez said:
I recently detailed for a client who I thought stepped into the "rediculous" sector. Maybe I'm acting up a bit much, but here's how it went.





I was scheduled to show up at 8:30am for this detail which was about 90 mins from me. It was raining all morning but he needed the car done for a photoshoot. Being far away (I told him), I gave a "8:30ish" estimate. At 8:30, only 5 mins away according to my navigation, he calls and asks where I am. I told him "just a few minutes out, sorry the rain is slowing me down". "How many minutes exactly?" "My navigation reads 5 mins, see you then".



Ok, I am 99% of the time on-time or early. The weather slowed me down and if I thought I was going to be more than 5 minutes late, I would've phoned him.



I arrive to a car in the garage covered in post-it notes. There were about 4 dozen yellow post it notes on the car highlighting areas he wanted me to address, from the hood, to doors, to doorjams.



Anyway, I start with the interior. I do my usual routine of cleaning out any clutter and mats, then vacuuming, dusting, cleaning everything with Z9, dressing with Z10, windows, cleaning the carpets/mats, etc. When I shut the door, I got "why didn't you shampoo the mats/rugs". I explained to him how I always take the least aggressive methods possible. Since his carpets and mats were in such nice shape, a simple spot cleaning sufficed to a 99% result. He still didn't seemed convinced.



Next was the exterior, he backed it into the rain so that I could wash/clay the car along with the wheels, tires, wells. Under the microscope again, him and his father (btw, client was about 20) followed me to each wheel/tire/well and watched as I washed/clayed. He then questioned how I was going to clean his undercarriage. I expressed to him how it consisted of pressure washing, misting with degreaser, then pressure washing again. Still not very enthused...



He pulled the car back into the garage and I dried it off. He asked why the jams weren't cleaned yet. I expressed to him how if the jams are in rough shape I degrease them when doing the interior, but if in nice shape, I QD them at the end. Three more times over the course of the detail, he asked.



I began doing wetsanding and ultimately moved to compounding. Breathing down my neck, he kept asking "what's this, what's that". After each panel I completed, him and his father looked it over as if they were shaving with the paint. Halogen lights and fluorescents littered the ceiling with plenty of overall light. They checked the surface from many different angles and then talked about how it looked and if there were problems in their eyes. I kind of brushed it off and addressed these areas later.



Not to bore you with more details, but throughout the entire day, it seemed like I was under a microscope and that the work I was doing was not good enough. The ending of it all really bothered me.



On the phone before the detail, we discussed the job and how I would remove 95% of the swirl marks. He walked around the car with the halogen again and my Brinkmann (which I did not give him permission to use) and he noted 1-3 light marrs or swirls per panel. The car was easily 95%+, probably more like 98%+. Him and his dad almost seemed upset and they spoke loudly about their concerns yet never addressed them with me.



As I wiped down the LAST section of the car and prepared to pack up and shoot some pictures, they were now on the car like white on rice. In a tucked area of the door jam, the client found a spot of sticky residue that was smaller than a dime. I cleaned it and continued to pack. Then, they eyed the hood closely. To my missing, I missed a couple of minor tracer marks from sanding with 2400 grit. Only under the closest scrutiny with fluorescents could you see this. I hit it with compound by hand, then polish, then sealed. Then, THREE MORE TIMES they found utter tiny areas where their was a hairline marr or blended scratch that they wanted fixed.



I fixed them all and in this time the father took off. I shot pictures, packed up quick, and got out of there. Never did I hear even a "looks good". He paid me and I left. I know I left some details out, but you get the idea.





I have a couple ideas as to where I'm going from here as far as disclaimers and service offerings.



Thoughts and feelings are appreciated.





The problems you described are exactly the reason we NEVER, and I mean NEVER allow a customer in our shop/work area while we are doing a detail. I cannot imagine a more annoying thing in the world than someone that knows nothing about what they are talking about nitpicking the hell out of everything you are doing BEFORE you are finished. We always walk the customer around the completed car AFTER we have finished the detail and done a thorough inspection ourselves and at that point they can pick apart our work - not before. We rarely, if ever have a complaint when done in this fashion.
 
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