What's wrong with Z5?

AcMDX said:
Outta curiosity, what color is your z5? Apparently there is a reformulated z5 that's a light orange in color, whereas the old one was white.



We're discussing the exact same thing over on the MDX board, where @ least a couple of people are getting smears w/the "new" z5 on black.
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Very interesting, I read that thread and the experiences seem very similar to mine. I do have the new Z5, and I can't compare it to the old one - I never used it...
 
vjarnot said:


Very interesting, I read that thread and the experiences seem very similar to mine. I do have the new Z5, and I can't compare it to the old one - I never used it...
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I never used the old Z5 either - but the new stuff DOES work for me when the temprature of the actual vehicle surface is 70 degrees or below. The absolute best results I ever recieved was when the vehicle was 56-degrees (I used a thermometer to measure surface temp. before starting)



just another thought.
 
Hmmm, and all this time I thought I was the only one having problems with the "new" Z5. It also seems to take forever to dry and is considerably more difficult to remove than either Z2 (old or new) or the old Z5. This is whether I use it with ZFX or not. This is southern California conditions, meaning temps in the 70s or 80s and minimal humidity, and I do it in my garage. Maybe there was a bad batch of Z5? I bought mine in mid-April direct from Zaino. To everyone else with problems, when did you buy yours?



Mike
 
So I'm not the only one. Yes, I also notice new Z5 is more smeary on my black car compare to the old Z5, but they react differently to different paint. On my bro's Mazda paint (also black), no problem at all.



Also, don't you guys have problem with the new Z6? I must had over 100 applications of Z6 in the past and never got any streaks, but when I tried the new Z6 I started getting light streaks on the hood. The streaks weren't so bad and not a big deal but I never got streaks with Z6 before!
 
I purchased Z2, Z5, Z6, and Z7 from the Gloss Boss two weeks ago. I have not experienced the streaking with the Z5 on my black Volvo paint except when my MF towels become saturated when removing the residue. The Z6 seems to be fine, too.
 
Malibu said:
Hmmm, and all this time I thought I was the only one having problems with the "new" Z5.

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Maybe there was a bad batch of Z5? I bought mine in mid-April direct from Zaino. To everyone else with problems, when did you buy yours?

Mike
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I got mine the first week of May...
 
Shiny Lil Detlr said:
mine is from january - still the new stuff.
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Shiny, were you having problems with the Z5? From reading your other posts, I am guessing not. Anyway, my car is dark red, but I haven't tried it on any other cars yet. Maybe I'll try it on our silver 528i and see how it works. The new Z2 works great though, although I haven't tried it with ZFX yet (no time to do three coats in a day recently). My problem isn't so much that it streaks, it is that it is a pain in the a** to remove, even after letting it dry for an hour or more (and no, I am not putting it on too thick). With Z2 and the old Z5, I was getting good enough to where by the time I finished applying it, it was dry and easily wiped off (around 20 mins or so). The new Z5 requires a lot of buffing and a decent amount of pressure, but once it is off, there is no streaking (that I can see anyway).



William, I have a new bottle of Z6 but I've been using up my old stuff first. I'll have to give it a shot and see how it works.



Mike
 
Malibu said:




Shiny, were you having problems with the Z5? From reading your other posts, I am guessing not.
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I was saying that yes I am having the problems, but I have narrowed them down to being directly temprature/climate related at the time of application. ;)
 
Shiny Lil Detlr said:




I was saying that yes I am having the problems, but I have narrowed them down to being directly temprature/climate related at the time of application. ;)
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See, that's what I get for skimming posts. ;) I have some time tomorrow, so I think I'm going to try the Z5 on our silver 528i and see how it goes. I'll let you all know.



Mike
 
OK, I used the new Z5 on the BMW this morning. It was much, much easier to use than it was on the Explorer. Possible reasons: the BMW is silver, the Explorer is dark red. Perhaps there was still some residue that I wasn't getting off and I couldn't see it on the silver, but I could on the red. Possible, but doubtful. I looked at it at every angle possible and I could see no residue left. Plus, it came off a lot easier than it did on the Explorer. The only other thing I can think of is that the Explorer usually sits outside, while the BMW is garaged, so the surface temp was cooler, plus the darker-colored car is going to be hotter regardless. This usually doesn't make a difference with Z2 or the old Z5, but maybe the new Z5 is more picky about hot surfaces. That's the only thing I can think of.



Mike
 
I noticed slotchyness when taking off the Z5/ZFX when applied in San Francisco weather, 70F, cool and breezy, after waiting 30 minutes once the car has been fully coated. After I wipe down with Z6, the coat evens out. I have a silver car, so it's tough to see the inconsistency unless you put your face to the metal and look down the car.



When i was detailing my friend's black ML430 this weekend, streaks were not a problem. He lives down in San Jose, and i could singe my hand just by wiping my finger across the car. It flash dried quick, and i had to keep using Z7 on the foam pad to keep it moist...1 squirt for every 2 square feet of application. Sounds bad...



The next day, we added another coat, with the car moved inside the garage. With 90F weather outside, the car was cooled indoors. No streaks, but we waited an hour before being comfortable taking off the Z5/ZFX. It was immediately followed by Z6...
 
vjarnot said:


Very interesting, I read that thread and the experiences seem very similar to mine. I do have the new Z5, and I can't compare it to the old one - I never used it...
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sounds like a problem with the paint, acura/honda use the same paint. I didnt have any problems using Z on my lexus.
 
The first time I wiped off z-5 it was really hard to get off. I thought the product bunk. However the second coat wiped on right over the hazy original and coat wiped right out streak free. Maybe certain paints just don't work right with zaino on the 1st application.



Try another coat.
 
I heard that lexus black is non-clear coated? does any of you know about this? I've been using Z2 on my black lexus, but I just bought a bottle of Z3 ang I'll give a try.

if you have any information on this, please let me know, I'm curious. THanks alot.
 
I'm not trying to insult your intelligence or anything, so don't take this the wrong way but did you remove the old wax (assuming you were using a carnauba based wax prior to Zaino) before you applied the Zaino? That is the only reason I can think of as to why it would be giving you trouble.



As far as a problem with the paint accepting the Zaino, I'm not sure how my 1998 Prelude paint differes from the S2000 paint, but all of my coats went on very easily. I hope you get everything straightened out!
 
I did a Honda CRV this weekend, black, with 2 coats of ZFX'd Z-5 and a Z-2. In an open garage with the temps running in the mid 70's, we had both coats dry in about an hour, the first a touch more. A bit slower than I would have expected with ZFX'd 5. My experience with the old formula was along the lines 40-45 minutes in cooler temps.



I called Sal and he had a few calls on the problem, but not everyone was having it and there appears to be no pattern. He also told me he has recently tweaked Z-5 to dry a bit quicker. Based on the fact that he told I did not have any of the tweaked formula, I have to assume this happened in the last few days, since I got my last shipment of Z-5 in early May.

I am going to order some and report back the results.

It may be a few weeks, because it takes about 10 days for me to get an order.
 
The first time I put ZFX'ed Z5 on my blazer was mid-winter. This was back in January..... in a closed-door garage, the temps were running about 50-55 degrees...... I got my coats dry in about 20 minutes a piece x3 coats.....
 
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