Whats the deal with EX/EX-P????

Is this because of difference in applying by hand vs applying by PC ? Guys who applied by hand got white residue and guys who applied with pc didnt get white residue. Just a thought ( I maybe wrong) ...



III : in my case, I had white residue like water spots on hood which disappeared when i rubbed with my finger. Plus I had resdiue on doors also. This I am talking after I wiped off with two MF every panel.
 
This is very interesting. Because of this thread I might hold off on buying ex. I'm sure it's a very good product, but I would like to hear more info on this. I say very good because if it wasn't, people wouldn't buy it.



This kind of problem seems similar when I did a 3 step process on my Z71 last year with meguiar's. After washing/drying the truck I used MPPC with a new foam applicator and wiped it all off. Got another foam applicator and used #7 and wiped off. Got another applicator and used #26 and wiped off. About 3 days later I noticed hazy spots on the truck. It didn't rain and I didn't wash the truck during this time. I had to go along the whole truck again and wipe it off. To this day I don't know why this happened. Maybe the #26 dryed or cured alittle more which caused the hazy look?
 
Another thought - does EX-P need water to cure ? :confused:



Inspite of white residues, I still like the product. I am very happy with the wetness I got in my car. If whiteness appeared again ( i applied yesterday another coat), I will just use QD and wipe it off :xyxthumbs
 
III, I wouldn't be quick to turn down the EX. When I started this thread I wanted to see if people were experiencing the same problems I was getting with EX/EX-P, and its clear that a majority of the people are. I'm not by any means trying to bash Steve or Poorboy's, i'm sure our feedback with his expertise will come up with a solution. I posted this at a bad time for Steve, who has bigger problems to worry about than unbuffed product. I'm sure once Steve gets back he'd be happy to listen to our experiences. If anything i guess all this magically unbuffed wax would encourage to QD more often.
 
JohnnyDaJackal said:
III, I wouldn't be quick to turn down the EX. When I started this thread I wanted to see if people were experiencing the same problems I was getting with EX/EX-P, and its clear that a majority of the people are. I'm not by any means trying to bash Steve or Poorboy's, i'm sure our feedback with his expertise will come up with a solution. I posted this at a bad time for Steve, who has bigger problems to worry about than unbuffed product. I'm sure once Steve gets back he'd be happy to listen to our experiences. If anything i guess all this magically unbuffed wax would encourage to QD more often.
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Agreed and understood.
 
I used EX for the first time today on a friend's car so I can't comment on it. It was awesome topping PWC on a dark metallic green.



I have run into this with AIO and EX-P; AIO was applied by hand and EX-P by PC. I believe it is something related to humidity and polymer products. With both AIO and EX-P I had a lot of little streaks AFTER a very heavy rain which was 3-4 days after application. With both the residue buffed off easily.



Last Sunday I put a coat of Pinnacle Signature on by hand. It was fine Monday. Atlanta was hit with the rain from Frances late Monday night...it rained all day Tuesday and part of Wednesday...Wednesday night I noticed 2 or 3 little spots and buffed them out. Thursday I had like 15 spots...all buffed out easily.



Signature has polymers in it too. I have applied EX-P and AIO without any issues in less humid weather which tells me my technique shouldn't be the issue.



I've read other posts here & on another detail site that speculate the issue is the humidity. I don't know the chemistry behind it but I think the humidity brings these little streaks out.



This has been an interesting thread and I hope to learn about the experience of everyone else with these products.
 
I just started using EX-P a couple weeks ago and so far used it on ~10 cars and haven't noticed it at all or had any complaints. I apply with a damp polishing pad and a PC. Goes on and off very easily. I bought a gallon and I'm so impressed with it I was thinking of buying more. I'll keep an eye out to see if it happens and I just haven't noticed it yet.
 
carcrazy22 said:
Is this because of difference in applying by hand vs applying by PC ? Guys who applied by hand got white residue and guys who applied with pc didnt get white residue. Just a thought ( I maybe wrong) ...

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I use both EX and EX-P by hand. I find it easier to apply thin coats by hand.



The only two products I have had rehaze are Natty's and Souveran both times I am sure because I applied it too thickly. Thinner coats, no problems.
 
I've had the same thing happen with both..... I just put it down to applying to thick by hand. What I have found is that if you apply on a panel, then give a gentle wipe over with an MF, light enough that you just remove any excess but not enough to actually take off everything you've applied. Then carry on with the next panel etc etc, and remove the rest as usual. I've found this helps and it really only adds 5 - 10 secs per panel wiping away the excess, so isn't a big deal in my eyes.



Cheers



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I washed my car a couple of days back and another few areas of residue appeared - fairly low down this time... I just wiped them off with some QD - no problem. I don't really mind this problem happening on my own vehicle, but I'd be pretty embarrased if it happened on someone elses car that I had detailed. Gonna keep using it for the time being as I love the end result! Just need to try and perfect my technique I suppose?
 
:bow Scottwax :bow replied to my post, oh my gawd ! I can't believe it :wavey



Last saturday, I applied second coat of EX-P using handi-grip applicator, thin coats and I misted applicator with water, before starting a new panel. Waited for 15 mins to hze and buffed out. Monday my car when through rain, I check this morning, no white residue whatsoever. Since EX-P is cured now, my car is glowing :D I guess it must be thick coats and dry applicator :confused:
 
I've never had it re-appear in the middle of a panel (applied thin with PC) but I do have it pop up in seams and around emblems etc when I was sure I had cleaned them all out before.
 
I have seen this too with EX-P on my own car and truck where I applied it a bit too thick, and did not thoroughly buff afterwards. I have a white and dark green truck. When I was a more careful and used fresh mf to wipe down the vehicles after i was finished, they never reappeard. EX-P is so clear when applied thinnly that it is easy to miss...yes even me:lol I have not seen this or heard anyone tell me about this with EX...

I also believe as some have stated that humidity and working on a vehicle toward sunset can be part of the problem, but i prefer to use the products in the sun, which also quickens the flash time, and have not seen this reoccurance. I believe Scottwax also works mostly in the daytime and that again is why he has not seen reoccurances. I know many people are limited in their time to work on their vehicles because of their day job, but if you are doing late afternoon or night time work, you might try giving it more drying time. I have also not heard of this happening in any hot dry climates :nixweiss

As also stated by some people who have had this happen, they have wiped it off with a clean mf and have then had no more reoccurances either.

One last thought, is that it may be interacting with the product previously used on the finish ...ie VM ...where the EX/EX-P is not fully bonding to the finish in certain areas.



Thanks again tfor those who understand why i was slow to answer...



Steve
 
Steve! You are back! I hope everything has worked out. :)



When I use EX-P or the regular EX, I normally let it sit about 20-30 minutes before wiping off the excess and it practically dusts off, especially EX-P. I will admit the thickness of EX-P made it hard in the beginning to apply it thinly but I think I have had enough practice by now!



You are right that I do most of my work in the heat of the day, although this summer has been a huge disappointment since we've only had one 100 degree day. :(
 
and PWC for almost a year now - never ever had it happen - and I have gone as high as three coats of EX - never tried EX-P becuase I still have plenty of EX left (orignal black bottle collector's item) - I PC apply first layer then subsequent I use a Viking applicator misted with a little S&W.



The only time I ever had any issue with a sealant was with WG where the next day when I thought I had buffed it all off the surface appeared a little oily and streaked.
 
Scottwax said:
Steve! You are back! I hope everything has worked out. :)



When I use EX-P or the regular EX, I normally let it sit about 20-30 minutes before wiping off the excess and it practically dusts off, especially EX-P. I will admit the thickness of EX-P made it hard in the beginning to apply it thinly but I think I have had enough practice by now!



You are right that I do most of my work in the heat of the day, although this summer has been a huge disappointment since we've only had one 100 degree day. :(
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Scott, I'm back and I still have to take my daughter for more doctors and specialist appts. , but otherwise she's doing much better...thanks...



I do believe all products have a learning curve and most people who really want to use a product, will try to adjust their methods if they like the final appearance.
 
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