What to top Speed with?

If you are topping an AIO...why not just use a Polish instead and then a high quality LSP applied with a DA?

Should take the same amount of time, yield a better finish and longer duration of protection.
 
^ Agreed. Poxy or Express


I would lean towards Poxy as from my use Express is not your normal "spray wax" it takes a little more work that I care for on a spray wax. But the look and beading are good.
 
Here is what I do. I mix Collonite 476s and HD Speed on the pad and apply it at the same time, let it dry to a haze and then remove. The addition of HD Speed to 476s makes for easier removal and the addition of 476s to HD Speed should extend the protection. I just did this on my 15 Chrysler 200 S.
 
allenk4 said:
If you are topping an AIO...why not just use a Polish instead and then a high quality LSP applied with a DA?

Should take the same amount of time, yield a better finish and longer duration of protection.
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This. Topping an AIO completely defeats the purpose of using a AIO
 
allenk4 said:
If you are topping an AIO...why not just use a Polish instead and then a high quality LSP applied with a DA?

Should take the same amount of time, yield a better finish and longer duration of protection.
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Agreed. Never understood the point of topping an AIO. The whole point of an AIO is to do everything in ONE step.

If you're going to go through the motions of adding a dedicated LSP you may as well use an actual polish that will give better results, allow you to verify the results, and have longer durability.
 
allenk4 said:
If you are topping an AIO...why not just use a Polish instead and then a high quality LSP applied with a DA?

Should take the same amount of time, yield a better finish and longer duration of protection.
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Are you sure? Can't you wipe Speed off after you have completed the whole vehicle? That would seem to save time over wiping off a polish after each section.

Also, isn't there less concern about marring while removing Speed versus a polish? Speed has Poxy versus a polish that exposes bare, unprotected paint.

I'm not being sarcastic, these are questions I've been thinking about.
 
gski said:
Are you sure? Can't you wipe Speed off after you have completed the whole vehicle? That would seem to save time over wiping off a polish after each section.

Also, isn't there less concern about marring while removing Speed versus a polish? Speed has Poxy versus a polish that exposes bare, unprotected paint.

I'm not being sarcastic, these are questions I've been thinking about.
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When you wipe the car...you always do it section by section, unless you have extra arms (photos please).


I actually compound and then polish, section by section, instead of compounding the entire vehicle and then polishing the entire vehicle. I only have to move my lights and other gear half as much and I can check my results as I go


The times should be the same:

Two Passes with SPEED or M205...wipe off

One pass to apply a topper on your AIO or a quality LSP...wipe off


There should be no difference in the amount of marring when removing polish or AIO. The MF towel is more abrasive than a polish or AIO, especially when not properly used
 
I don't work an AIO nearly as much as I do with a medium/finishing polish, so I do save a lot of time using an AIO. And just about all of us lay down two coats/layers of LSP anyways to insure proper coverage (and hopefully increase the LSP film thickness and durability), so topping an AIO with a wax or sealant is not such a big deal.

AIO + LSP is 2 steps. Polish + LSP + LSP is three steps.
 
Again AIO is matter of preference myself a polish and LSP. This come from a weekend detailer like myself.
 
allenk4 said:
When you wipe the car...you always do it section by section, unless you have extra arms (photos please).
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I don't think you read my post. I understand how you like to do YOUR process.

I'm saying that you (meaning any person) can wait to wipe to car with Speed after you have applied it to the entire vehicle. Unlike polish, which you wipe off after each section. I don't see how wiping off after each section can possibly be as fast as just wiping down after the vehicle is complete. Unless you could wipe down with one arm while continuing to polish with your buffer in the other hand (photos please).

allenk4 said:
There should be no difference in the amount of marring when removing polish or AIO. The MF towel is more abrasive than a polish or AIO, especially when not properly used
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I wasn't talking about abrasives. I was talking about wiping a vehicle with no LSP/bare paint (after polishing) or wiping a vehicle with some LSP applied during the process (Speed with Poxy).
 
gski said:
I don't think you read my post. I understand how you like to do YOUR process.

I'm saying that you (meaning any person) can wait to wipe to car with Speed after you have applied it to the entire vehicle. Unlike polish, which you wipe off after each section. I don't see how wiping off after each section can possibly be as fast as just wiping down after the vehicle is complete. Unless you could wipe down with one arm while continuing to polish with your buffer in the other hand (photos please).


I wasn't talking about abrasives. I was talking about wiping a vehicle with no LSP/bare paint (after polishing) or wiping a vehicle with some LSP applied during the process (Speed with Poxy).
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I understand your questions


My answers remain the same


Interesting to ask a question and then challenge the answer given. I think you are asking these questions rhetorically
 
I agree with Allen. I would never use an AIO and top it. Just use a polish and an LSP. 3Ds spray wax (can't think of the name) is just no good. Skip it.

If you use a regular polish, it only takes like 15 mins to apply something like Hydro Max if you are in a hurry.

Edit... It's called HD Express. If you live anywhere near me you can come get my bottle for free.
 
allenk4 said:
I understand your questions


My answers remain the same


Interesting to ask a question and then challenge the answer given. I think you are asking these questions rhetorically
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I think you are misusing a word. I asked a theoretical question, not rhetorical. You gave an answer based on your experience, inside the box, without answering my questions. I regret quoting your original post. I see others have answered my question since then.

But sincerely, thanks for your time. It's good to know more about your methods.
 
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