what the ****?

sacdetailing

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Man ive been checking out you tube lately and finding this "detailers" showing "how to do"videos, am watching and almost crying to see Bentley/other cars gets power washed door jambs, trunk jambs with water literally splashing inside! what the ? this is just a port of it, this is so crazy! :nervous2:

also this one doode polishes then clays it after polishing! hahahahaa lol it as the third step! :nervous:



we Autopians need to do something about it! warn people or something!
 
I see it as this... Yeah it sucks for the customer and they shouldn't have to endure that kind of work. But if it wasn't for those "detailers" then a lot of autopians would be out of business.
 
Some guys here do it too. They claim they get great results, fast. I feel it's playing with fire and can bite you at the first misstep. I'd rather use a steamer for extra dirty jambs.
 
Not to play devil's advocate, but what exactly is wrong with using a pressure washer on dirty door jams and trunk jams? You can get a clean jam in seconds with no more water getting inside than if you were to jump in your own car in a rain storm. Car interiors are constructed to get some water in them. Also, if you're going to be following it up with an interior detail, what's it matter? I don't do it anymore but I used to (I use a steamer now and don't carry a pressure washer with me for mobile details). If you know what you're doing, you can seriously get very little water inside the car
 
I will use a pressure washer on door jambs every time if I am going to be doing an interior detail with shampoo. Can I do damage by pressure washing a door jamb?
 
JPostal said:
I will use a pressure washer on door jambs every time if I am going to be doing an interior detail with shampoo. Can I do damage by pressure washing a door jamb?



Most cars have wires that run through the jambs for the door electronics, lights, and sensors, but unless you are soaking it with 2500 psi pressure you're not going to do any damage. Again, cars are made to get a little wet otherwise people would file a complaint the first time they had to go grocery shopping in the rain.
 
todd@bsaw said:
Most cars have wires that run through the jambs for the door electronics, lights, and sensors, but unless you are soaking it with 2500 psi pressure you're not going to do any damage. Again, cars are made to get a little wet otherwise people would file a complaint the first time they had to go grocery shopping in the rain.



Thats what I thought. I usually spray a degreaser, agitate with a brush, and rinse with a 1400 psi pressure washer...no problems ever. If it has power sliding doors I avoid the sensors but even with these I can't see a little water doing any damage.
 
todd@bsaw said:
Not to play devil's advocate, but what exactly is wrong with using a pressure washer on dirty door jams and trunk jams? You can get a clean jam in seconds with no more water getting inside than if you were to jump in your own car in a rain storm. Car interiors are constructed to get some water in them. Also, if you're going to be following it up with an interior detail, what's it matter? I don't do it anymore but I used to (I use a steamer now and don't carry a pressure washer with me for mobile details). If you know what you're doing, you can seriously get very little water inside the car



Watch some of the videos, there is more than a little water getting inside the cars. :lol
 
I figured as much, but I just wanted to point out that done properly there is nothing wrong with using a pressure washer on jambs.

The highlighted phrase being key. :nervous2:



It's done the same way you would use a pressure washer on an engine detail. The trigger should be held for no longer than a second. Just short bursts of water and you're done.
 
You can walk the edge of a cliff your whole life and never fall over the edge. Why risk it? It's the same with pressure washing door jambs for me. There's too much a risk of an accident on a very expensive interior.
 
You can also paint your living room with a 1" brush instead of a 12" roller but you're not going to risk dripping paint on the floor any less. I'd rather spend an hour painting instead of 3 days instead of listening to a bunch of ninnies on a forum.



hah... sorry.
 
I pressure wash door jams as well as trunk jams, on just about every single detail that goes through my shop. Yes, sometimes a bit of water gets into the interior. So ? All my interiors get their vinyl / plastic scrubbed, and all fabric shampoo'd with a heated extractor. I've NEVER had an issue with pressure washing door jams. I don't have any pictures unfortunately, but I can you that there's no way a brush or MF or steamer is going to take care of door jambs in a decent amount of time, at least not the jams I see on a daily basis.
 
Whoa, just sayin how I feel big dog. I don't care what anyone else does. Imho, it's balance that counts. Too much one way or the other makes things ridiculous.



todd@bsaw said:
You can also paint your living room with a 1" brush instead of a 12" roller but you're not going to risk dripping paint on the floor any less. I'd rather spend an hour painting instead of 3 days instead of listening to a bunch of ninnies on a forum.



hah... sorry.
 
Noo no no but this one doode i seen clays the car after hackly polishing it, hahahahhahhaha i think the video is how to clean Bentley or something
 
Jean-Claude said:
Whoa, just sayin how I feel big dog. I don't care what anyone else does. Imho, it's balance that counts. Too much one way or the other makes things ridiculous.



I wasn't trying to be a jerk (hence the quick apology post ... well ... post), but I just wanted to say something before running out the door quick. I'm all for the 'to each their own' attitude.



Sure, there is a risk of damage just as there is a risk of damage while detailing an engine or even touching a pad to paint for polish. It's part of the business. Saying "I'm not going to do it this way because there's a minuscule (subjective) chance I could cause damage" is all well and all, but telling other's it's the wrong way to do something isn't. I'm not pointing fingers in particular. But again, risk is just part of the business. It's the individual detailer's own move to determine what process, tools, and techniques they want to use for each detail.



Have I pressure washed jambs before? Yep. It works extremely quick with minimal effort and there are very little risks to damage to either electronic components and interior fabrics. Have you ever washed a car that has been sitting at a lake home for 9 months with dead flies and debris packed in there? A pressure washer is a godsend for those details. Do I recommend doing it to someone's Rolls Royce? Probably not.



And without seeing the video that the OP is referring to, I can just imagine that person is not being careful nor considerate. Is it the one where he is pressure washing a car (truck?) and water misting and flying all over the place? I think I've seen that one and it is definitely doing it wrong.
 
If it's the Scotty's I think it is - he make a killing out here! Technique is not his main concern. Hey Sac, is it a black Bentley in the vid?
 
AndyVo said:
If it's the Scotty's I think it is - he make a killing out here! Technique is not his main concern. Hey Sac, is it a black Bentley in the vid?



yeah , but not only him, others also. like dripping water inside the trunk for good 4-6 seconds
 
Power-washing doorjambs - a highly debatable method.



IMO, it depends on:

1. Type of vehicle?

2. How much is the customer is paying for the job?

3. How much time is given to you?

4. If you are a detailer, who're your target customers?



If it's an old vehicle with hardly any electronics or a dirty 4x4 and the cheap-skate customer is looking for a super-cheap, "quick and dirty" job...then power washing the jambs could be a convenient, albeit crude and unprofessional method.

On much older cars with little or no electronics thats really dirty, a little power washing won't hurt.



But on modern vehicles with electronic modules, CAN-bus data bus systems, connectors and sensors everywhere, power-washing door jambs and other areas (EXCEPT the exterior paintwork) is a NO NO for me. In many vehicles, its main ECU could be located inside the front kickpanel (eg: many Mitsubishis). If water seeps in, and touches EVEN ONE contact pin...the ECU is fried. I've seen this happen.



Other bad practices seen on the Internet




Spraying/spritzing liquid interior detailing products onto certain areas such as the front cabin's centre console or centre fascia. On Mercs, Beemers and especially Audis, these are often the areas where the "info centre" switches and knobs reside (Eg: Audi's MMI).



I do Audis very regularly as my company services the local Audi dealership.

On Audis, especially the top-end models (Q7, A6, A8), there's lots of buttons on the centre console.

Audi has already alerted their dealers (TSBulletin)that any liquid spilling onto these areas might slowly migrate into the underneath and could damage the control units UNDER the centre console. The warranty will not cover these damages. During a heavy downpour, even water dripping from a wet umbrella, or a few drops of coffee...if it falls onto the MMI switches and through their gaps, could cause problems. CD player wd not operate, AC controls freeze etc etc.

Example: A friend's Audi S8.....his Bang & Olufsen system is no longer working.



In some new VWs, there is a Comfort Control Module that's under the front floor. If sills and other surrounding areas are heavily power-washed, water could seep in through the footstep, flow onto the floor (gravity) and end up damaging the control unit.

Example: a Passat CC with it's horn not working, despite chaging the horn unit. The Comfort Control Unit was damaged by moisture.



Removal of window tint film from front windscreen.

Many Internet videos show spraying of lots of chemicals onto the glass to remove the tint film adhesive residue.

The copious amounts of liquid will flow downwards to the dash, through the demister vents, and drip onto any electronic control module and/or its wiring under the dash. Car won't start (Example: Suzuki Swift 1.6). Vents shd be masked off using water proof tape (eg duct tape) and dash covered with a large towel. That's what I do.



Large MPVs with sliding, "power" side-doors - spraying lots of cleaner onto the big piece of plastic entry footstep panel.

Since it's an electrically-assisted "power sliding door", its motor, control module, and wiring loom may be directly under this plastic foot step (eg: many large Toyota MPVs).
 
gigondaz said:
Power-washing doorjambs - a highly debatable method.



IMO, it depends on:

1. Type of vehicle?

2. How much is the customer is paying for the job?

3. How much time is given to you?

4. If you are a detailer, who're your target customers?



If it's an old vehicle with hardly any electronics or a dirty 4x4 and the cheap-skate customer is looking for a super-cheap, "quick and dirty" job...then power washing the jambs could be a convenient, albeit crude and unprofessional method.

On much older cars with little or no electronics thats really dirty, a little power washing won't hurt.



But on modern vehicles with electronic modules, CAN-bus data bus systems, connectors and sensors everywhere, power-washing door jambs and other areas (EXCEPT the exterior paintwork) is a NO NO for me. In many vehicles, its main ECU could be located inside the front kickpanel (eg: many Mitsubishis). If water seeps in, and touches EVEN ONE contact pin...the ECU is fried. I've seen this happen.



Other bad practices seen on the Internet




Spraying/spritzing liquid interior detailing products onto certain areas such as the front cabin's centre console or centre fascia. On Mercs, Beemers and especially Audis, these are often the areas where the "info centre" switches and knobs reside (Eg: Audi's MMI).



I do Audis very regularly as my company services the local Audi dealership.

On Audis, especially the top-end models (Q7, A6, A8), there's lots of buttons on the centre console.

Audi has already alerted their dealers (TSBulletin)that any liquid spilling onto these areas might slowly migrate into the underneath and could damage the control units UNDER the centre console. The warranty will not cover these damages. During a heavy downpour, even water dripping from a wet umbrella, or a few drops of coffee...if it falls onto the MMI switches and through their gaps, could cause problems. CD player wd not operate, AC controls freeze etc etc.

Example: A friend's Audi S8.....his Bang & Olufsen system is no longer working.



In some new VWs, there is a Comfort Control Module that's under the front floor. If sills and other surrounding areas are heavily power-washed, water could seep in through the footstep, flow onto the floor (gravity) and end up damaging the control unit.

Example: a Passat CC with it's horn not working, despite chaging the horn unit. The Comfort Control Unit was damaged by moisture.



Removal of window tint film from front windscreen.

Many Internet videos show spraying of lots of chemicals onto the glass to remove the tint film adhesive residue.

The copious amounts of liquid will flow downwards to the dash, through the demister vents, and drip onto any electronic control module and/or its wiring under the dash. Car won't start (Example: Suzuki Swift 1.6). Vents shd be masked off using water proof tape (eg duct tape) and dash covered with a large towel. That's what I do.



Large MPVs with sliding, "power" side-doors - spraying lots of cleaner onto the big piece of plastic entry footstep panel.

Since it's an electrically-assisted "power sliding door", its motor, control module, and wiring loom may be directly under this plastic foot step (eg: many large Toyota MPVs).



guys! of course its ok with an old car, i wouldn't be saying anything, but one of them is doing that to a NEW Bentley! i mean common! am sure it wasn't 50 dollar quick detail.
 
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