what the $%^ is a pass? :P

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markw78

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Going over a section one full time using 50% overlapping lines, is that 1 pass? If I don't stop the buffer, and go over the section a 2nd time using the same method, is that a 2nd pass or am I still on my first pass since I haven't added more product?



confusing
 
Not sure if this helps, but this is what I refer to as 3 passes.

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Overlap minimum 50%. I RARELY add additional product during these 3 passes.
 
That is what I do. After that, I wipe off product. If I need more correction, I do that process again. I would call that a new complete pass.
 
Hmm. I guess I have referred to a "pass" as number of times you move the polisher over a given section of paint with one application of product.



IE: "The polish will start to break down on the 3rd pass"



Then, I refer to a "hit" as multiple applications of product.



IE: "If your pad/polish combo doesnt produce the desired results after working in the polish, do another hit." or "sometimes it takes multiple hits in the same spot to product the desired results"



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I like the way Mike Phillips differentiates: there's a "pass" and then there's something else called a "section pass". Heh heh, if the terms are as intuitively obvious as I think they are then they don't need any explanation huh?
 
Accumulator said:
I like the way Mike Phillips differentiates: there's a "pass" and then there's something else called a "section pass". Heh heh, if the terms are as intuitively obvious as I think they are then they don't need any explanation huh?
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That makes the most sense to me too!
 
I didnt think it could get much easier then "1 potato, 2 potato, 3 potato 4"...........

To each there own I reckon.

For me, 1st pass have always been for product distribution, 2nd pass is for breakdown, and 3rd pass for finishing (on average).

WTH is a section pass?!?

"each section, depending on swirls, make take additional passes"..........

Otherwise know as........."4 potato, 5 potato, 6 potato more?"

Amazing how everything becomes so technical and confusing over here..........

Just polish the paint for cryin out loud!
 
a.k.a. Patrick said:
I didnt think it could get much easier then "1 potato, 2 potato, 3 potato 4"...........

To each there own I reckon.

For me, 1st pass have always been for product distribution, 2nd pass is for breakdown, and 3rd pass for finishing (on average).

WTH is a section pass?!?

"each section, depending on swirls, make take additional passes"..........

Otherwise know as........."4 potato, 5 potato, 6 potato more?"

Amazing how everything becomes so technical and confusing over here..........

Just polish the paint for cryin out loud!
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I could not agree more.
 
markw78 said:
If I understand right, you both just called a pass something different :)
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You are correct. What alowe called a pass is what I would assume Patrick would call a set of passes. Unfortunately there is not much agreement in the detailing world in what makes up a pass. I think that is why you see the term used less and less. Atleast it seems that way to me.
 
a.k.a. Patrick said:
For me, 1st pass have always been for product distribution, 2nd pass is for breakdown, and 3rd pass for finishing (on average).
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Hmmmm. I must be working my polish too long. I almost always work them more than 3 passes. Maybe that is why I am such a slow detailer????



Of course, how slowly one moves the machine could also determine how many passes are needed. So long as I am not dry buffing, I guess that is OK.
 
bert31 said:
Hmmmm. I must be working my polish too long. I almost always work them more than 3 passes..
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IMO there are just *way* too many variables to generalize that way. And/but this also gets into the different ways people define "pass" (and this is why, IMO, it *does* matter how that word is used).



Some products need worked for a long, long time...
 
Accumulator said:
IMO there are just *way* too many variables to generalize that way. And/but this also gets into the different ways people define "pass" (and this is why, IMO, it *does* matter how that word is used).



Some products need worked for a long, long time...
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Well, I don't think I have ever used less than four, even with 105 which generally does not require many passes. So I guess I am over working my polish.
 
bert31 said:
Well, I don't think I have ever used less than four, even with 105 which generally does not require many passes. So I guess I am over working my polish.
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I'm starting to wonder if you're being sarcastic about overworking your polish ;)
 
Accumulator said:
I'm starting to wonder if you're being sarcastic about overworking your polish ;)
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No, I really am starting to think I am working the polish too long. With my white Eclipse's rock hard paint, giving 105 four or more passes may not be too excessive.
 
bert31 said:
No, I really am starting to think I am working the polish too long. With my white Eclipse's rock hard paint, giving 105 four or more passes may not be too excessive.
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Well, I've only used M105 on hard paint, and I keep working it quite a while (proper/KBM priming sure helps with this). IMO six or ten passes isn't excessive...you keep going until the marring is gone or the polish dries out. And on what I was correcting, the polish dried out quite a few times before the marring was gone.



So I was doing maybe six to ten "individual passes" and quite a few "section passes".
 
SuperBee364 said:
To me, one "application" is the sum of the number of "passes" done with one squirt of product.
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This is how I refer to a pass. I go over a certain areas several times before I move on to the next. If I put more product on the the pad and 'hit' the same area again, then it'll be my second pass of the same product. So it doesn't matter how Snake patterns I do, its still one pass for me
 
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