What`s up with Jeweling Waxes? (and Jeweling in general)

[Lonnie]

Sorry to hijack this thread, (really? again Captain Obvious!) but there are some "terms" used to describe the look of a wax`s, sealant`s, or coating`s "gloss".
Reflectivity or mirror-like
Depth
Jetting (never understood this one)
Wetness or wet-look
After reading this thread, it seems that LSPs physically mute or diminish the glossiness of a prepped and cleaned surface, at least to a gloss-meter. However, the human eye seems to perceive otherwise when you factor in the other terms mentioned above.

For those of you who wish to see a discussion between Autopian All-stars Barry Theal and Kevin Brown from 2010 (Yes, it is old!) on jeweling, please see:
https://www.autopia.org/forums/car-...vin-brown-barry-theal.html?highlight=jeweling
Please see the prophetic statement made by Barry in post #25! It is quite an eye-opener!!

Accumulator,
Semantics aside, TECHNICALLY this fine polishing as done to paints IS burnishing , BUT to differentiate this polishing process from that used on metals from paints, jeweling applies to automotive (vehicle) paints to give it a "jewel-like" appearance, if that makes any sense. That said, I do not think that HOW you burnish a metal is identical to HOW you jewel vehicle paint/clear coat, and maybe that is the difference in terminology. (Back to semantics).

 

[Accumulator]

Old Pirate- I might be dating myself (or at least those who influenced me) with this terminology as I do on many other topics

I just don`t get the logic behind not using the long-established terms the way some have been using them for centuries. As my wife says, "the language evolves", but I`m not gonna change my vocabulary in ways that I feel make for less precise communication...and thinking. IMO, larger, more differentiated vocabularies are better stocked toolboxes.

Machinists/etc. burnish stuff. They also jewel stuff. Two completely different processes that need to be differentiated lest there be confusion.

If "jeweling" means [this paint-related polishing] in addition to the usual machinist`s definition, then when do we use "burnishing"? And what about conflating the two terms in machining/gunsmithing contexts (bet you and I share some background experiences.. )?

None of the above is intended as a slam at your uncle, hope it didn`t come across that way. Older (than us) Detailers do indeed use some terms differently and they aren`t always consistent. The oldest Detailer *I* know uses "buffer" to mean a rotary, and he looks down his nose a "polishers" which to him mean RO/DA machines (which he considers junk...note this guy ruined my Jaguar when he disregarded my explicit instructions about how to polish it/not). He`s been using those terms that way for over 50 years and he`s not gonna change...OK, but it makes for confusion.

Accumulator,
Semantics aside, TECHNICALLY this fine polishing as done to paints IS burnishing , BUT to differentiate this polishing process from that used on metals from paints, jeweling applies to automotive (vehicle) paints to give it a "jewel-like" appearance, if that makes any sense. That said, I do not think that HOW you burnish a metal is identical to HOW you jewel vehicle paint/clear coat, and maybe that is the difference in terminology. (Back to semantics).

Yeah, just one of those agree-to-disagree topics I guess.

Technically it is, so to me it just IS. Period, end.

IMO it`s all the same- you abrade a surface to make it smoother/shinier and I see no reason to differentiate between paint or other surfaces since we`re talking about the process.

Note that jewels DO NOT generally look smooth and shiny in their natural state...they need burnishing(!) to be that way. What we think of as "jewel-like" might make a lapidary while he burnishes that ruby to make it shiny.

Heh heh, man I could *really* get insufferable if we pursued this much farther! I`m wasting enough bandwidth as it is

Eh, we can just chalk this up to my being cantankerous and older than my (58) years in some ways.