What`s BETTER than Zaino?

killerzee

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I`ve been detailing personally for 20+ years now, and have used many of the "major" products out there. Meguiars overall is great. All their products are pretty darn good. For the past 5 years, I have been mostly using Zaino products for paint buffing, correction, polishing, and sealing. But even with layers of Zaino, Z2, Z5, Z6, Z8, and CLEAR SEAL.... My paint is getting contaminated. I don`t get it at all. My car IS GARAGE kept. I do use it on the weekends, and is parked outside, only for a few hours. The color is BLACK, though. Every few months or so, I notice dirt within the clearcoat, and I need to CLAY. WHY????? With ALL the layers of Zaino, why is my paint picking up dirt???????? This is really very frustrating.

Is Zaino a ```` product for protection? Should I be using another product for protection? Is Duragloss better?
 
I feel like any car regardless of protection or what kind of protection you use is going to pick up dirt, dust, contaminants etc. You can not get away from it really. You could try a ceramic coating which may reduce contaminants from sticking but not 100%. Also, I have a black car and I have the same issue and my car is coated with Gyeon Mohs and topped every month with PA Cosmic Spritz and I still have the same problem with pollen and dust till I physically remove it.

Hope you figure it out and I am sure others here could provide more but really at the end of the day I just dont see how any protection regardless of brand solves that problem completely.
 
I`ve been detailing personally for 20+ years now, and have used many of the "major" products out there. Meguiars overall is great. All their products are pretty darn good. For the past 5 years, I have been mostly using Zaino products for paint buffing, correction, polishing, and sealing. But even with layers of Zaino, Z2, Z5, Z6, Z8, and CLEAR SEAL.... My paint is getting contaminated. I don`t get it at all. My car IS GARAGE kept. I do use it on the weekends, and is parked outside, only for a few hours. The color is BLACK, though. Every few months or so, I notice dirt within the clearcoat, and I need to CLAY. WHY????? With ALL the layers of Zaino, why is my paint picking up dirt???????? This is really very frustrating.

Is Zaino a ```` product for protection? Should I be using another product for protection? Is Duragloss better?

Killerzee --
Welcome back to the Forum !
I have also used Zaino products almost 20 years ago, and back then there was not a lot to choose from..
They certainly worked good for what they were and I am sure they still look great..

Tell us how you prep your Zaino Z2 and Z5 Layers - what do you do to get the paintwork ready and clean before you apply them??

Are you also using the ZFX catalyst with each layer ? If so, I remember you could only apply 3 layers per 24 hours, I believe, right ?

Once we know what you do for your Prep work , we can then be more accurate with our replies, ok ? Need to know the Details - are you using a machine ? Which one ? Foam pads ? Which pads, what size ? What product are you using to clean the paint ? Are you using a Claybar also, to clean the paint ? Which one ?
Are you working outside for the whole process ? Inside with lights ?
Are there a lot of trees around your property ? Do they dump stuff on the ground all year, etc.?
Thanks !
Dan F
 
I used Zaino for many years... but I have to agree with Ron.

If you really want to know what’s better than Zaino, look at Polish Angel. You’ll probably freak out over the prices, but if you’re willing to pony up the cash Polish Angel is easier to use than Zaino and the results are infinitely better (imho, ymmv).
 
Killerzee --
Welcome back to the Forum !
I have also used Zaino products almost 20 years ago, and back then there was not a lot to choose from..
They certainly worked good for what they were and I am sure they still look great..

Tell us how you prep your Zaino Z2 and Z5 Layers - what do you do to get the paintwork ready and clean before you apply them??

Are you also using the ZFX catalyst with each layer ? If so, I remember you could only apply 3 layers per 24 hours, I believe, right ?

Once we know what you do for your Prep work , we can then be more accurate with our replies, ok ? Need to know the Details - are you using a machine ? Which one ? Foam pads ? Which pads, what size ? What product are you using to clean the paint ? Are you using a Claybar also, to clean the paint ? Which one ?
Are you working outside for the whole process ? Inside with lights ?
Are there a lot of trees around your property ? Do they dump stuff on the ground all year, etc.?
Thanks !
Dan F


I`m a fanatic about swirls and scratches, so I keep my Corvette clean with either ZPC, or Menzerna as needed. Or if I just need a CLAY, i`ll use the Zaino clay bar. I wash it with the Duragloss or Zaino soap. Use my Porter Cable 7424 to apply ZAIO with a 6.5 inch Lake Country Green Pad with ZFX of 4 or 5 drops. Z6 wipedown, then I continue with a coat of Z5 with a 6.5 inch Lake Country Gold Pad. Then another Z6 wipedown. Then at least 1 to 2 layers of Z2, with Z6 wipedowns in between. I then top it with Clear Seal. Let the car sit for 3 days, and do a FINAL wipedown with Z8.

I`m sure you can see my frustration now to have to CLAY my car after just a few months.... For regular washes, I wash with Zaino or Duragloss soap, and then apply CLEAR SEAL, followed by Z8 wipedown. The car always has loads of Zaino on it.

I do all the work inside a garage, usually closed. The wash is outside, but only 1 tree, which isn`t LARGE.
 
I do all the work inside a garage, usually closed. The wash is outside, but only 1 tree, which isn`t LARGE.

But you must drive the car? If you have to clay a lot, you may be picking up some brake dust from your own car or other cars, or perhaps some other kind of fallout from where you go. I mean, you don`t just back the car out of the garage and wash it, then pull it back in and polish it...and then let it sit there until the next time you do the same thing again. Surely you drive it somewhere at some point and that must be when you are getting the contamination...or perhaps you have spiders in your garage, or a water heater, etc. etc.
 
I`m a fanatic about swirls and scratches, so I keep my Corvette clean with either ZPC, or Menzerna as needed. Or if I just need a CLAY, i`ll use the Zaino clay bar. I wash it with the Duragloss or Zaino soap. Use my Porter Cable 7424 to apply ZAIO with a 6.5 inch Lake Country Green Pad with ZFX of 4 or 5 drops. Z6 wipedown, then I continue with a coat of Z5 with a 6.5 inch Lake Country Gold Pad. Then another Z6 wipedown. Then at least 1 to 2 layers of Z2, with Z6 wipedowns in between. I then top it with Clear Seal. Let the car sit for 3 days, and do a FINAL wipedown with Z8.

I`m sure you can see my frustration now to have to CLAY my car after just a few months.... For regular washes, I wash with Zaino or Duragloss soap, and then apply CLEAR SEAL, followed by Z8 wipedown. The car always has loads of Zaino on it.

I do all the work inside a garage, usually closed. The wash is outside, but only 1 tree, which isn`t LARGE.

Killerzee --
Thanks for the reply info !
Im familiar with all the products you use in your process...
Which Menzerna product are you using ?
Menzerna may have oils in it that could interfere with your Zaino adhering to your paintwork..
Anytime I use Menzerna (and I have used a lot of it on a zillion German Cars), l I always wipe it down with something like Car Pro Eraser, or the old Menzerna Top Inspection, before applying anything to finish off the paintwork..

What speed are you running your Porter Cable when you are correcting the paintwork ??
It is harder for that random orbital sander to rotate that big pad than it would a smaller, say 5.5" pad...
I never use those 6"+ pads unless Im correcting a big, flat, van, etc., or an Airplane, and I only use Rotary Power...

In all the years I used Zaino products I never once used a machine to apply the Z2-Z5 layers... I always did it by hand so I could see the material line by line, flashing as I put on the infamous "Thin, Even, Coats".. :)

I also never added ZFX to ZAIO either... Only mixed Z2 and Z5, separately, in these handy little 1/2 oz clear plastic bottles, with ZFX..
As I recall, the ZAIO could be the "Base" for the Z2 and Z5 +ZFX applications...

I love Zaino Car Wash Soap and still have some bottles of it.. Works great !
Looks like you have a great place to work and no worries about a lot of airborne stuff hitting you as you back out of your garage..

Thinking back and lets face it, it was waaaay back, when I last used Zaino products on paint, in the Pacific Northwest even, the only thing I had to deal with was the durability of the product.. It just didnt last very long in all that constant rain, etc., either... I would go months in between just taking care of Clients before I ever got back to my personal vehicles, and they all hung in there pretty good..

The claybar - well, we all know that if the paint is rough feeling after a good wash, then it has embedded stuff in it that should come off before putting something new on it, but it is really up to the individual what you want to do then...

Im thinking if you really want to get out of some of this work for longer, then perhaps sometime, we can all talk about Coatings, which in my professional and personal experiences, stay on the paintwork a lot longer.. Yes, they do get stuff stuck to them also, but not as much as without the coating, and using a good soap for Coatings, like CarPro Reset, the Coating seems to respond very favorably to this soap and goes a long long time before it needs something..

One other thing, if you are wanting to always have the slickest, softest, paintwork in the world, then the only way to really accomplish that is to keep the car in the garage and never take it out... :)

Dan F
 
Just about anything.
This. For the first 12 years of its life our black Corvette was ensconced in at least 3 or 4 layers of of Z2 and Z5 with ZFX, topped with Z6, Z8 or Clear Seal.

A summer only, mostly fair weather driver, it would occasionally get caught in rain and left to dry in sun. Eventually, the water spots at some point etched the clear coat. Permanently.

Additionally, a bird bomb would need to be removed in a very timely manner or they would leave a mark.

While i did like the shine and gloss, was nice and got many compliments, IMO opinion Zaino offers little (if any) protection.

Only nice thing about Zaino was that every Spring, I`d buy the showcar kit for $130 or so and that was the total car care expenditure for the season. I miss that part of the z stuff but that`s about it.

Also, self cleaning characteristics were next to non-existent.

Life is much better now, maintenance wise, just a wee bit more costly.
 
No Zaino, never had it on this........... THis hadn`t been touched in at least 45 days ex risneless wash.

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No Zaino, never had it......


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No Zaino, never had it..................


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I`m a fanatic about swirls and scratches, so I keep my Corvette clean with either ZPC, or Menzerna as needed. Or if I just need a CLAY, i`ll use the Zaino clay bar. I wash it with the Duragloss or Zaino soap. Use my Porter Cable 7424 to apply ZAIO with a 6.5 inch Lake Country Green Pad with ZFX of 4 or 5 drops. Z6 wipedown, then I continue with a coat of Z5 with a 6.5 inch Lake Country Gold Pad. Then another Z6 wipedown. Then at least 1 to 2 layers of Z2, with Z6 wipedowns in between. I then top it with Clear Seal. Let the car sit for 3 days, and do a FINAL wipedown with Z8.

I`m sure you can see my frustration now to have to CLAY my car after just a few months.... For regular washes, I wash with Zaino or Duragloss soap, and then apply CLEAR SEAL, followed by Z8 wipedown. The car always has loads of Zaino on it.

Holy cow. I`m sure your final product looked great, but there`s no way I would work with a system that required touching the car that many times - even if the ease of use was high.

From enthusiasts and pros on here, I see far too many stunning results (that last!) with much less effort required.
 
I`ve been an on/off again user of Zaino for nearly 20 years. There`s many things I like about it and there`s a couple things that I dislike about it.
The time that it takes me to properly apply it is one of them. The other thing is the shine after it`s applied. What I mean by that is that hard candy shell type of look. It doesn`t have that deep glossy look that you want to put your hand through. I`m not sure how else to describe it. But those of you that are avid Zaino users, know what I`m talking about.

Some of you complain about durability, longevity, rain etching. I haven`t encountered any of those things. Matter of fact, I`m going on record as saying that Zaino for the most part, has outlasted any ceramic coating that I have ever applied on a car. CarPro, R1, and McKee`s come to mind as my only 3 ceramic coatings that I`ve used. Neither one of them has outlasted Zaino. I know that I don`t have to worry about any excessive wipe marks or streaks with Zaino. Now I know some of you are going to laugh about that. And I wanted to believe so bad that they would outlast my multiple coats of Zaino. But the fact is they haven`t. I`ve applied both products on multiple cars in the last several years. And the feedback is the same.
When I`ve had Zaino on my vehicles, I`ve never gotten more compliments from any other product that I`ve used.
I know there`s probably a product out there that`s better, to answer your question. But, I haven`t found it yet.
 
This. For the first 12 years of its life our black Corvette was ensconced in at least 3 or 4 layers of of Z2 and Z5 with ZFX, topped with Z6, Z8 or Clear Seal.

A summer only, mostly fair weather driver, it would occasionally get caught in rain and left to dry in sun. Eventually, the water spots at some point etched the clear coat. Permanently.

Additionally, a bird bomb would need to be removed in a very timely manner or they would leave a mark.

While i did like the shine and gloss, was nice and got many compliments, IMO opinion Zaino offers little (if any) protection.

Only nice thing about Zaino was that every Spring, I`d buy the showcar kit for $130 or so and that was the total car care expenditure for the season. I miss that part of the z stuff but that`s about it.

Also, self cleaning characteristics were next to non-existent.

Life is much better now, maintenance wise, just a wee bit more costly.

This was the truth I was looking for on here..... Zaino offers very little protection, if any. I have also seen this on my other cars as well. My wife`s Audi also had some contamination on the hood and trunk during the summer, and side doors during the winter from the road salt. Zaino shines, but just doesn`t protect.

What are your recommendations instead of Zaino? How is Duragloss? I use all their products except the paint sealants and polishes. All are great, and I swear by Aquawax and their Leather conditioner.

I live in both New York and Florida..... I`m jealous of you guys in Florida. You guys can go a month without a car wash, and your cars are pretty clean. ONE day of driving in NY, and the car would be ABSOLUTELY FILTHY! My car`s are usually driven in NYC, and the suburbs of NY. NYC has much more dirt and pollution than the outer areas.

I also want to add that ALL my cars are BLACK. So I have found that the dirt will melt on the car with sun exposure. I have seen lots of contamination just from the sun, and or heat (hood). Lighter color cars will be MUCH easier to maintain.
 
This was the truth I was looking for on here..... Zaino offers very little protection, if any. I have also seen this on my other cars as well. My wife`s Audi also had some contamination on the hood and trunk during the summer, and side doors during the winter from the road salt. Zaino shines, but just doesn`t protect.

What are your recommendations instead of Zaino? How is Duragloss? I use all their products except the paint sealants and polishes. All are great, and I swear by Aquawax and their Leather conditioner.

For something quick and easy: https://youtu.be/yKCC76DIKhE

Avaliable at Autogeek/Autopia as well. Autopia user got a year out of it using only Gyeon Bath+ as shampoo during each wash. It`s neat, easy stuff to use.

If you wanna go full on coating, well, that`s a whole nuther ball o wax.
 
Gyeon is good line to look at. I Love CanCoat! It lasted a long time and super easy to apply. On my daily driver, I got over 12months of horizontal panels. The lower vertical panels failed around 10Months. Much better than the claimed 6months durability. Gloss was nice lasting the whole year. On the Garage Queen, I have switched to Polish Angel.
 
Gyeon is good line to look at. I Love CanCoat! It lasted a long time and super easy to apply. On my daily driver, I got over 12months of horizontal panels. The lower vertical panels failed around 10Months. Much better than the claimed 6months durability. Gloss was nice lasting the whole year. On the Garage Queen, I have switched to Polish Angel.

I`ve got CanCoat sitting on the shelf ready for application this Spring on several cars. Did you do anything special to get those results? Were there applications of Cure along the way as a booster?
 
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