Tsk, tsk, you don't get it. The price of a car does not correlate to the price of the cleaning products. You don't need expensive items to make your car look great. Protecting your investment means nothing unless you understand what you're protecting. Your Lamborghini paint is no more special than that on a BMW, Toyota or Acura. It may be different, but isn't exotic like the car itself. You could make it look better than showroom good with a trip to autozone and a few days of reading on this site. Don't waste your money just because you think high cost car = high cost cleaning.zzzzdoc said:
What products would you use on a Lamborghini?
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zzzzdoc said:
Umm...people without as much money as you are just as willing/able to spend money to protect their investments as well. Just because someone's car may not go 205mph and be amazing piece of machinery...whatever you seem to be a little too into yourself to get any of this anyways. Just buy some Turtle Wax and be done with it, I hear the Liquid Ice is wicked cool :2thumbs:
If I detailed your Lambo I would use the same products I use to detail my lawn mower...now does that make my lawn mower worth more or your Lambo worth less? Hmm...Neither!
Accumulator
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zzzzdoc- Glad to hear the build quality has improved since Audi got involved.
I sure wouldn't worry about using the Griot's polisher with their Machine Polish #3 or #4, those won't *touch* clear from the Audi group and I suspect your Lambo has the same basic Spiess Hecker paint as the high-end Audis (FWIW I have an S8 and fairly extensive experience with Audis).
You could do worse than use the above-mentioned polishes and top with the Griot's paste. Perhaps the MP #4, if you want to be extra safe but even the MP #3 is so gentle as to be pretty much nonabrasive on moderately hard clear.
Otherwise, my standard advice would apply to your car: 1Z polish topped with some good wax. The 1Z WaxPolishSoft is so mild as to be functionally nonabrasive on your paint and is *incredibly* user-friendly. You could use it by hand or with your Griot's polisher. If it were mine, that's probably what I'd do....1Z WaxPolishSoft topped with a good paste wax.
If your paint is currently *literally* flawless (and I've seen some *very* expensive cars in showrooms that weren't even close to flawless
) then I honestly think you oughta indulge yourself and use the Zymol approach.
But don't worry about "protecting" it. You'd be perfectly well protected with a coat of $14/can Collinite
Don't get caught up in the sealant vs. wax wars..there are great products in both categories. My most cherished car, which also happens to have the most fragile paint, gets wax and I'm not worried about it being protected. Heh heh, and that's one car that I plan to keep in its original paint for the rest of my life- so far the wax approach has worked great for 22 years.
I sure wouldn't worry about using the Griot's polisher with their Machine Polish #3 or #4, those won't *touch* clear from the Audi group and I suspect your Lambo has the same basic Spiess Hecker paint as the high-end Audis (FWIW I have an S8 and fairly extensive experience with Audis).
You could do worse than use the above-mentioned polishes and top with the Griot's paste. Perhaps the MP #4, if you want to be extra safe but even the MP #3 is so gentle as to be pretty much nonabrasive on moderately hard clear.
Otherwise, my standard advice would apply to your car: 1Z polish topped with some good wax. The 1Z WaxPolishSoft is so mild as to be functionally nonabrasive on your paint and is *incredibly* user-friendly. You could use it by hand or with your Griot's polisher. If it were mine, that's probably what I'd do....1Z WaxPolishSoft topped with a good paste wax.
If your paint is currently *literally* flawless (and I've seen some *very* expensive cars in showrooms that weren't even close to flawless
) then I honestly think you oughta indulge yourself and use the Zymol approach.But don't worry about "protecting" it. You'd be perfectly well protected with a coat of $14/can Collinite
Don't get caught up in the sealant vs. wax wars..there are great products in both categories. My most cherished car, which also happens to have the most fragile paint, gets wax and I'm not worried about it being protected. Heh heh, and that's one car that I plan to keep in its original paint for the rest of my life- so far the wax approach has worked great for 22 years.Guys, I do get it, but you may not realize the economics at play here.
You don't get charged normal prices when you bring a car like this in for service. Suddenly oil changes cost $500.00, and tune ups $3000. And since there are few places that you can trust with these cars, you wind up bending over and paying it. Yeah the local guy at the shop might be able to work on the car if he could get the parts. But if he screws up, there is nobody solvent to sue and he causes thousands of dollars of damage. It's just a risk most owners aren't willing to take.
I know that there is nothing magical about the paint on this car. It's a nice, complex color, painted nicely. But if I needed major work, I would still probably wind up bringing it to the dealer and getting totally ripped off. That's the facts of life.
The same thing happens when the landscapers double their charges in my neighborhood compared to just outside the gates. The grass is the same, just the workmen are more crooked. Since time is money, it often is easier to just get ripped off and pay the artificially inflated prices.
Now I didn't make this post to wax poetic about the virtues and pitfalls of owning an exotic car. What I am looking for is good advice from people who really understand how to detail cars. There is an amazing amount of experience on this board. I'm just trying to tap into some of it.
And if you read my posts, I have been detailing the car myself. I enjoy doing it, and frankly, haven't found anyone locally I trust to do it anyway. So, in order to help me do the best job I can on my car, I've asked advice.
You don't get charged normal prices when you bring a car like this in for service. Suddenly oil changes cost $500.00, and tune ups $3000. And since there are few places that you can trust with these cars, you wind up bending over and paying it. Yeah the local guy at the shop might be able to work on the car if he could get the parts. But if he screws up, there is nobody solvent to sue and he causes thousands of dollars of damage. It's just a risk most owners aren't willing to take.
I know that there is nothing magical about the paint on this car. It's a nice, complex color, painted nicely. But if I needed major work, I would still probably wind up bringing it to the dealer and getting totally ripped off. That's the facts of life.
The same thing happens when the landscapers double their charges in my neighborhood compared to just outside the gates. The grass is the same, just the workmen are more crooked. Since time is money, it often is easier to just get ripped off and pay the artificially inflated prices.
Now I didn't make this post to wax poetic about the virtues and pitfalls of owning an exotic car. What I am looking for is good advice from people who really understand how to detail cars. There is an amazing amount of experience on this board. I'm just trying to tap into some of it.
And if you read my posts, I have been detailing the car myself. I enjoy doing it, and frankly, haven't found anyone locally I trust to do it anyway. So, in order to help me do the best job I can on my car, I've asked advice.
Accumulator said:zzzzdoc- Glad to hear the build quality has improved since Audi got involved.
I sure wouldn't worry about using the Griot's polisher with their Machine Polish #3 or #4, those won't *touch* clear from the Audi group and I suspect your Lambo has the same basic Spiess Hecker paint as the high-end Audis (FWIW I have an S8 and fairly extensive experience with Audis).
You could do worse than use the above-mentioned polishes and top with the Griot's paste. Perhaps the MP #4, if you want to be extra safe but even the MP #3 is so gentle as to be pretty much nonabrasive on moderately hard clear.
Otherwise, my standard advice would apply to your car: 1Z polish topped with some good wax. The 1Z WaxPolishSoft is so mild as to be functionally nonabrasive on your paint and is *incredibly* user-friendly. You could use it by hand or with your Griot's polisher. If it were mine, that's probably what I'd do....1Z WaxPolishSoft topped with a good paste wax.
If your paint is currently *literally* flawless (and I've seen some *very* expensive cars in showrooms that weren't even close to flawless
But don't worry about "protecting" it. You'd be perfectly well protected with a coat of $14/can Collinite
Accumulator:
Thanks for the advice. This is what I was looking for. To get a second set of options, what would you suggest if I wanted to go the sealant route instead of the wax route?
Oh, and I doubt that it is "literally" flawless. But it is much nicer than the paint on my other cars.
Crusader101
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Perhaps the experts can also chime in on the prudency of the Werkstatt lineup for your particular car/color. I just completed a detail on my sister's car which is a medium silver metallic using Prime Strong and then an application of A-JT. The results were simply phenomenal.
imported_DieselMDX
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IMO you have to be happy about you are putting on your car yes you can learn and understand what products do what but "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". Everyone here is going to have a different opinion, my advice is go to click and brag and look at some details done by proffesionals, (01bluecls Ferrari Enzo comes to mind) and see what you like. Do you like the look of a sealant or wax? do you want depth and wetness? all of this is important when choosing a LSP
Just to let you know I have about 10 sealants and about 20 waxs I can never get enough.
Just to let you know I have about 10 sealants and about 20 waxs I can never get enough.
TriumphGT6
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Accumulator said:
I know most of the forum pillars, such as those listed, would mention it's process that is more important than the products used. I use the same process and products(based on what you mentioned as well) on my Dodge Neon as on my Vette(clears a little harder lol) and if I were given a new S-Class I'd treat it as well as I do the Neon.
On a similar note, what'll piss me off is being at a car show and getting a compliment on the car; and then when they find out it's not Zaino or Souveran they suddenly get elitist. I go on about process is much more important than products used, but many of the owners don't care.
SuperBee364 said:To everyone else: sorry if I'm beating this Vintage thing to death... the newness of my new toy still hasn't worn off.
And, if you ever find yourself not entirely happy with Vintage's performance, you get full value on your Vintage if you ever want to trade up to the Royale.
Zymol is so great, isn't it? :woohoo:
Are you sure about the full trade up value if I move to Royale? I've never asked them that question. Hmmm . . . maybe Royale on this month's order???
SuperBee364
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Vintage said:
Yup, I called Zymol the other day, asking about the process for getting refills, and I asked him about any sort of a trade up. He said full retail credit for the Vintage to trade up to Royale. I'd do it, but I'm afraid I'd miss my wife too much.
Thomas Dekany
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zzzzdoc said:
Ok!
Since you are complaining about how much it costs to maintain your EXOTIC car, I will not suggest ZYMOL.
Instead, do get some Menzerna 106FF and a black pad. Polish out the paint gently, wash your car to get all that dust off and apply a few coats of FK1#1000 with the pc.
You will take that already exellent finish to another level guaranteed.
I am willing to send you free samples of the above 2 items.
See, not everyone is out to take your millions from you.
Pm me your shipping address
Accumulator said:
I thought about just saying I bought an A4 to avoid flaming.
Accumulator said:
I have only tried them on my Lexus, and they are so mild they basically do virtually nothing with the orbital. So in other words they are safe for me to use, but may not do much of value.
Accumulator said:
I looked on 1Z's website. Are you talking about the "Metallic PolishWax" or the "Paint Polish 'Lack Politur'"? I can't find "1Z WaxPolishSoft" on their site. A
And which paste wax do you recommend after the 1Z polish? I really do like that deep glossy finish look.
Accumulator said:If your paint is currently *literally* flawless (and I've seen some *very* expensive cars in showrooms that weren't even close to flawless
I have the advantage of very low mileage and little outdoor exposure. So less to ruin the finish.
Accumulator
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zzzzdoc said:
Heh heh, I sympathize with you regarding the, uhm..flak you receive regarding [any expensive products of a discretionary nature]. I've had my share of unsolicited comments, and accompanying assumptions, regarding how I spend my money
Sealants are often finicky about what they bond to, so no polishes that leave a lot of stuff behind. The Menzeran products, like the one that tdekany suggested, are a good choice.
On my S8, I use 1Z Pro-Line Metallic Polish (different from the Metallic PolishWax) before my UPP sealant. FWIW I'm perfectly satisfied with how that looks and I'm, uhm, rather particular
Check out the 1Z lineup as offered at these vendors (both of whom I can vouche for): Welcome to Exceldetail.com! or Aloha & Welcome to Our Oasis for All Your Auto Detailing Supplies & Accessories
The Lack Politur is foreign-speak for the "Paint Polish", and I don't think you need anything that aggressive.
The WaxPolishSoft is called just that. FWIW I used it on the front bumper cover of my wife's A8 yesterday and *man* is it mild. I sure wouldn't worry about its abrasives, you could probably use it every month forever without thinning the clear. I'd probably put Souveran over it on your car (I use the discontinued Meguiar's #16 but that's an old-school affectation of mine). Seriously, don't discount Collinite's Insulator Wax 845. It might look just right to you and it's both user-friendly and long lasting.
Yeah, keeping them inside makes a world of difference, I hate to even leave my beaters out overnight if I can help it. As long as you don't see any marring (swirls/etc.) you shouldn't need any aggressive polishes. And I'm not surprised the Griot's stuff was too mild; there's "nice and gentle" and then there's "ineffective"
If you *do* need to do some correction, perhaps on the Lexus, then I heartily recommend the 1Z Paint Polish. 1Z polishes are just *so* user-friendly and effective that they're both my #1 recommendation for people just getting serious and my personal favorites for applications where they fit the bill on my vehicles.Accumulator
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zzzzdoc- You're welcome. It's not like I have a monopoly on workable solutions, but I'm confident that you'll do OK with my suggestions. Your situation reminds me of a pal from the Jaguar Club of Ohio; he had an older Lambo before buying an S8 (identical to mine) and is sorely tempted to buy what you have, but needs the practicality of a sedan and can only garage so many cars at present. I suspect his wife has no intention of giving up *her* Audi just so he can buy another exotic
imported_memnuts
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I would use the same products "that I consider to be the best products" for my car care desires. The same ones I use for my present "only on perfect days a couple of times a month Z06 to my daily drivers.
imported_Picus
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I just put HD cleanse and Concours on a Lambo that was pretty close to flawless; I thought it looked great. Souveran would've probably looked almost as good. Hell, Z5pro would have probably looked almost as good... but ya, if it were me I'd go with HD Cleanse and an Estate Glaze.
jdthompson
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I don't know how popular the 1Z range is in the US but I've used a few Einszett products and I've been thoroughly impressed by them all, they just seem to be honest, no nonsense products that do what they say on the tin (I should qualify that I haven't used any of their paintwork products).