What is it with the E-Z Detail Brushes???
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imported_TLMitchell
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My first one broke after about 6 months of weekly use. E-mails to EZ went unanswered so I dropped the vendor a line. He replaced it. Like Bill, I now take great care to avoid bending close to the handle. These things were originally designed as a motorcycle brush, I don't think the manufacturer envisioned them getting so popular as a wheel brush and the tougher usage.
My small one is like new although it doesn't get much bending.
While the Daytona Speed Brush is a bit stouter I'm careful about bending near the handle with it too. I can see it'll end up the same way if you're not careful.
Use it without the handle for stout usage without fear of it breaking.
One guy on another Forum drilled out the other end of the handle deeper than the original, trimmed back the plastic sheath and stuck it in and says it works better than before. YMMV.TL
imported_Luster
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Yes, the Daytona is definitely stronger, but still has the same weak point at the top of the handle.
The key to making it last is to not use force or pressure that causes bending of the wire.
It seems like if the wire was rigid, rather than bendable, it would be a much more reliable product (both EZD and Daytona).
It would be different if they cost 8 bucks... I'd just buy them by the case, use 'em for a month and toss 'em.
imported_TLMitchell
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Old Pirate
AMG Classic Car Detailing
Don't throw out those brushes yet, We're check with EZ Detail about these and see what they have to say. Stay tuned............:wizard:
I'll pile on here too! I broke 2 EZD brushes before getting the Daytona brush. I'm being careful with that one given my experience with the EZD but it's only a matter of time for that one too I think.
It's a shame because for the utility factor it's a good inner wheel reach brush.
It's a shame because for the utility factor it's a good inner wheel reach brush.
imported_Stokdgs
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Thanks to all for your time to input your experiences with these 2 items from EZ Detail.
I am glad that they are working out for at least some people, but the difference in the number of broken brushes is not a good sign for this Vendor's products in my humble opinion.
Cant we just get a product that will work without failing for that much money??
I really dont mind paying hard earned dollars for something that is going to last and do a great job for me.
If I were the Engineer here for these products I would want to test how much force is being put on the joint of these brushes when the brush is wet, full of soap, and being slowly pulled and pushed through different sized openings, most of them smaller in diamater than the brush bristles.
There has to be a way to calculate that force and then, decide how strong and flexiable the wire needs to be, right ?
I would'nt care much if it was less flexible in order to be stronger and not break when you are in the middle of cleaning some really dirty M-5 multi-spoke wheels on a deadline.
I respect that these are supposed to be used on Motorcycles, etc., but what makes that easier on the brushes so they dont break as often? Nothing ! I bet they break even more on motorcycles since they have way more places to use them, dont you think ?
Thanks Angelo and Jack for following up on this - looks like more than a few people out here have experienced the same problem, so we have a Trend that needs to be looked at by the Vendor.
Wonder what happens if you Google EZ Detailer broken brushes????
Dan F
I am glad that they are working out for at least some people, but the difference in the number of broken brushes is not a good sign for this Vendor's products in my humble opinion.
Cant we just get a product that will work without failing for that much money??
I really dont mind paying hard earned dollars for something that is going to last and do a great job for me.
If I were the Engineer here for these products I would want to test how much force is being put on the joint of these brushes when the brush is wet, full of soap, and being slowly pulled and pushed through different sized openings, most of them smaller in diamater than the brush bristles.
There has to be a way to calculate that force and then, decide how strong and flexiable the wire needs to be, right ?
I would'nt care much if it was less flexible in order to be stronger and not break when you are in the middle of cleaning some really dirty M-5 multi-spoke wheels on a deadline.
I respect that these are supposed to be used on Motorcycles, etc., but what makes that easier on the brushes so they dont break as often? Nothing ! I bet they break even more on motorcycles since they have way more places to use them, dont you think ?
Thanks Angelo and Jack for following up on this - looks like more than a few people out here have experienced the same problem, so we have a Trend that needs to be looked at by the Vendor.
Wonder what happens if you Google EZ Detailer broken brushes????
Dan F
imported_TLMitchell
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I've got 3 motorcycles in the garage that I use EZ Detail brushes on. Curiously enough, most tight spots I need to clean that I can't get to by hand are a straight-in, straight-out proposition. Very little bending or flexing involved. I agree with you 100%, I'd like to see a serious redesign of these brushes with a mucho stouter shaft even at the expense of bending and flexibility.
TL
*MustangGT/25YRS*
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*E-Z Detail Brush*
Mornin' Guys/
I was initially impressed reading about how good this wheel brush is/ancing Dot:...I still have not bought one,though.I guess I'm lucky
to have waited.It *is* ashame to hear about how cheap the brush is made in comparison to the high/:money: it sells for.
IMOPO,as after reading this thread,like other guys have mentioned.I truly believe that *Quality,even alittle more,should Match the :money:*
of Any Product that's used on a Daily Basis.With that,I was thinking that maybe the metal design could be better
if the company used a *Semi-Ridgid,Stainless Srping Steel* [If possible] instead of this cheap wire.As far as the Rubber Tip,they could possibly
use a waterproof/chemical resistant adhesive so it will not come off.If I had this brush,I'd squeeze a dab of my *PDR Glue Gun Stick* into the
rubber cap and push it on the wire strand.With the Spring Steel,one could bend it to get into tight places w/o worrying that it'll break in short time useage.
Put on a Nice *Textured Rubber Handle Grip* like I have on a Mothers Curved Tire Brush.There would be alot of Happy Pro Detailers and
DIY's[Like me] that would embrace the brush with open arms.It's an Idea a Thought,maybe good and maybe not.
But until they Improve it...I'll *Not* waste the $$ to buy one.Take Care.
Best Regards/
Raymond
Mornin' Guys/
I was initially impressed reading about how good this wheel brush is/
ancing Dot:...I still have not bought one,though.I guess I'm luckyto have waited.It *is* ashame to hear about how cheap the brush is made in comparison to the high/:money: it sells for.
IMOPO,as after reading this thread,like other guys have mentioned.I truly believe that *Quality,even alittle more,should Match the :money:*
of Any Product that's used on a Daily Basis.With that,I was thinking that maybe the metal design could be better
if the company used a *Semi-Ridgid,Stainless Srping Steel* [If possible] instead of this cheap wire.As far as the Rubber Tip,they could possibly
use a waterproof/chemical resistant adhesive so it will not come off.If I had this brush,I'd squeeze a dab of my *PDR Glue Gun Stick* into the
rubber cap and push it on the wire strand.With the Spring Steel,one could bend it to get into tight places w/o worrying that it'll break in short time useage.
Put on a Nice *Textured Rubber Handle Grip* like I have on a Mothers Curved Tire Brush.There would be alot of Happy Pro Detailers and
DIY's[Like me] that would embrace the brush with open arms.It's an Idea a Thought,maybe good and maybe not.
But until they Improve it...I'll *Not* waste the $$ to buy one.Take Care.
Best Regards/
Raymond
imported_Luster
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Here's where the break occurs. You can see that's the weak point....
If you place your hand above the handle and below the bristles, that area won't bend. But it's more awkward to use that way.
If you place your hand above the handle and below the bristles, that area won't bend. But it's more awkward to use that way.
imported_Flash Gordon
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To Late, mines probally already been turned into a box of sandwhich baggies :doh:
Here's where the break occurs. You can see that's the weak point....
If you place your hand above the handle and below the bristles, that area won't bend. But it's more awkward to use that way.
Thanks for the pic Bill ^ :Christmas Hat:
My feelings are if they would jam that stem about 1/2-3/4 way down the handle it would increase the durability 1000% :2 cents:
imported_Luster
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You're right. They and they need to re-think the wire material to something that won't weaken every time it gets a little pressure applied.
imported_Stokdgs
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Thanks Bill and Raymond;
Bill for the Pics which are exactly perfect and that is where both my small and large brush have broken.
Raymond, I like the idea of using a spring steel arrangement for the stem of the brush, but I dont know how they could attach the bristles to it unless it is able to twisted over and over all the way up the stem from the handle.
It looks like the type of wires they use are soft enought to be twisted together, trapping the bristles in it as it goes, so that they are held tightly and dont pull out, which they dont, in my experience.
So perhaps the idea of using stronger wires - (does spring steel bend like this wire?) - and have it be as efficient in holding all the bristles in place, might be a better solution..
Anytime a metal is bent back and forth enough it causes metal fatigue and eventually the metal will crack or break at that point.
I dont know how they do it, where they buy their wire, if it has any certain spec's that make allowances for repeated bending, etc., or if they got a bad batch of wire from a foreign country, etc., that has caused all these brushes to fail.
All I know is that I hardly used my 2 new EZD brushes, because I already had some older Tampico bristle brushes that NEVER broke, and the small version broke first, and the larger one broke later.
Dan F
Bill for the Pics which are exactly perfect and that is where both my small and large brush have broken.
Raymond, I like the idea of using a spring steel arrangement for the stem of the brush, but I dont know how they could attach the bristles to it unless it is able to twisted over and over all the way up the stem from the handle.
It looks like the type of wires they use are soft enought to be twisted together, trapping the bristles in it as it goes, so that they are held tightly and dont pull out, which they dont, in my experience.
So perhaps the idea of using stronger wires - (does spring steel bend like this wire?) - and have it be as efficient in holding all the bristles in place, might be a better solution..
Anytime a metal is bent back and forth enough it causes metal fatigue and eventually the metal will crack or break at that point.
I dont know how they do it, where they buy their wire, if it has any certain spec's that make allowances for repeated bending, etc., or if they got a bad batch of wire from a foreign country, etc., that has caused all these brushes to fail.
All I know is that I hardly used my 2 new EZD brushes, because I already had some older Tampico bristle brushes that NEVER broke, and the small version broke first, and the larger one broke later.
Dan F
*MustangGT/25YRS*
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Hello Dan F/
*Spring Steel* will bend,but would come back to original shape.I don't know if there's stainless spring steel wire,similar to what they use,but if there is,maybe it could work.It wouldn't rust.It should have bendability where users can apply pressure,to get into difficult areas w/o worrying about breakage/
ancing Dot: Maybe,instead of using a Rubber Tip,they could take the wire and make a *Continuous Loop*,w/Bristles all around,as opposed to a Rubber tip covering the point,as to not damage/scratch or chip the Wheels' finish/:wizard:.One cannot see the if the tip comes off when scrubbing w/soap/wheel cleaner/etc.,between the spokes.It's a thought,anyways/
.Hopefully they'll design something soon,as I'm sure other detailers have spent enough $$$,and major complaints,w/a less than durable brush...Regards/
Raymond
imported_Stokdgs
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Hey, Raymond -
Great ideas you have there, hopefully someone will make an attempt at doing this right, for not only us but all the Detailers/closet Detailers/car-nut-detailers, heck the whole dang bunch of us guys and gals!!!
Thanks for your insight and follow through !
Dan F
Great ideas you have there, hopefully someone will make an attempt at doing this right, for not only us but all the Detailers/closet Detailers/car-nut-detailers, heck the whole dang bunch of us guys and gals!!!
Thanks for your insight and follow through !
Dan F
imported_Blackfire
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Mine broke soon after a few uses. I didn't complain about it at the site because it seems that when you have a valid complaint, the fan club jumps on and accuses you of not using it correctly because theirs is perfect and never had a problem.
You all know what I'm talking about.
I have a friend working on a better detail brush. Hopefully we'll have a prototype soon.
You all know what I'm talking about.
I have a friend working on a better detail brush. Hopefully we'll have a prototype soon.
imported_Erik Mejia
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Ooooh. Definitely keep me posted on your friend's progress. I'm need a new brush!
imported_Flash Gordon
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imported_POPPAJ
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Thought I'd jump in on this one. I've been using these brushes for quite a while now with no problems. After I received my first one I realized that repeated bending would fatigue the metal and I would have the same complaint as many others. What i did was get a second brush and keep one straight and the other permanently bent. The one that is bent is bent at about three inches away from the handle. Both get a lot of use during the outside washing season(Michigan) with no problems. I did have the plastic cap come off on one but I retrieved it and glued both on securely with no further problems. For sure these brushes could be improved, but at the risk of being flamed, a little common sense goes a long way. After all the wire isn't made from unobtanium!
Let the games begin! :Boxing:
Let the games begin! :Boxing: