What if...... Claying technique

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bunkeroo26

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Doing some reading, I ran into the technique where someone

clays their car using spray wax, and it leaves it buttery smooth.

I could see this being a huge waste of Wax, unless you diluted it

with QD, but then would the results ve as good?


But Claying with wax have me an idea. What if I clawed with

GPS diluted with some QD? I would be using a fine grade clay,

which I hope would not marr. Do you think I would gain the

benefits of GPS?


Considering GPS can be applied by hand, should this not work?

This is untested, but could be a quick one step Decon and seal method.
 
I'm all about being as gentle as possible when claying so as to not mar the paint.


 


I don't know if this will be relevant, but when I've clayed with Griot's SpeedShine (a leaves-stuff-behind QD that borders on a wimpy spraywax) I found that all the "waxlike stuff" in it interfered with the claying.  Made the clay way too "gentle"; scare-quotes because that's not exactly the right description but I simply didn't like it nearly as well as a "very soapy" lube like Glyde.  I'd expect a genuine spraywax to compromise the clay's efficacy even worse than the SpeedShine did, but that's just a (somewhat educated) guess.  If nothing else, having all that wax mixed in with the clay after (what I assume will be nearly constant) kneading might not be desirable.
 
Yes, I was worried about the wax and the clay also.

Which is what makes me curious about GPS, because it

has some abrasives. I am worried about the abrasives making

the clay too aggressive.


Plans to test this tomorrow!
 
Not sure how GPS will react with the clay. It could break down the clay and cause it to mar along with the abrasives, I doubt it will be a good idea.
 
Eh, with all these various concerns it's just not something I'd experiment with, at least not on anything I couldn't afford to mess up.
 
I think theres a shade of grey where clay lube can be "too slick" and it takes away from the clay's abilities to grab all the "stuff" off the paint. I've thought this over as well and I would just spend the extra 10 minutes to use spray wax by itself after the clay session.
 
I don't plan on using wax, add it is too expensive as

a line in my opinion. Not that I condone experimentation

with products that work well separately, but I am curious.


Yes, if the clay breaks down or is unable to Decon the surface,

the test will be a fail. I would be using file GPS, so the biggest

concern is the abrasives on conjunction with the clay.


I will test clay magic and Opti clay bars, to see if one is more effective.

I don't really anticipate marring to be an issue, but time will tell.

For this reason, I will only use a small part of the clay bars.


Experimentation cones with failures and successes, which is the

price to pay for efficiency. The sector that I cater to is a bit different,

so if I can save time, it will be a large boon.


I appreciate your time trying to think of reasons that it won't work.

I am on the fence of its usefulness, or coat efficiency.
 
WilliamWallacesWashAndWax- After/despite all my nay-saying, I'll be interested to hear how it works out!  I also wonder if "smart clay" type clays (eh, I forget the proper term for them) would behave differently with that as a lube.
 
To me, it is less "nay" saying, and more creative thinking about

reasons that siding wouldn't work.


I did think about those Opti - erasers, the clay alternatives

and i thought that abrasives would clog those up.

Everything is speculative until testing.


Now, If you had been saying that it wouldn't work, no way and

no how (without testing), that would've been nay saying.


Part of me thinks the abrasives will scratch the surface, add clay alteady

does this on a smaller scale. Then, part of me thinks that I may get

a little correction from hand application. I figure that either would need

buffed off lightly by hand. It is possible that QD will lessen the need for this.
 
Test one was unsuccessful.


My mixture was way too thick, and the yellow of the Opti clay

started leeching. I doubt this would have hurt the paint, but I

stopped anyways due to not enough lubrication. I am going to try

this again very soon. I ended up having to rush to beat a cold front.


I really can't say that the first test was totally bust. I thinned out the

GPS on the panel with more ONR, and it clayed Ok. It also came off the

paint with ease, which leaves me hopeful for further testing.


I have some megs clay to try, that is white so will have no color leech.


Accumulator, if you had called me an idiot or said that it was the stupidest

idea ever, that would've been rude. You were just explaining the reasoning

as to why you thought it wouldn't work. Huge difference in my book.
 
WilliamWallacesWashAndWax- No surprise IMO that it calls for some more tweaking before you can draw definitive conclusions, but how did that second/diluted attempt work out with regard to how it left things?  Did it leave the area nice enough to justify combining the steps?



Hey, this isn't anything I can imagine actually doing, but I am finding it interesting.


 


Oh, and heh heh, I do try to come across the same online as I would in person, but I sometimes worry that subtleties can get lost in the cybersphere.  Even when people *do* suggest those "stupidest ideas ever" there's no need to be rude and sometimes interesting things come of the discussions anyhow.  And you know, besides the whole "I just don't act like that" thing, I genuinely believe that getting offensive often hints at "oooh, must've hit a sore spot!  Can't just present a rational argument, can ya?"  
 
The second try was really just using some QD to remove the product. I did not run the clay much, because if lack of lube, and when I saw color yellow I stopped.

While I am unsure if it will work, saving a few steps would make me lots of money in the long run. This is why I experiment.

You hit the issue, the can be debated topics without rudeness.

Two things work against this.
1. People are use to saying whatever they want. I blame politics and lack of respect in forums
2. Sarcasm. It just isn't picked up easily in text. If your sarcasm is miss understood, that is your fault for using it. Deal with the reprocessing. Lol.

Inflammatory breeds the like response. Neither is constructive.

Thanks for the question. They mirror the ones that I have about this process, which let's me know that I am at least in the right line of thinking.

The first dilution say near to 1 to 1 and was very sticky. I wonder if this is an attribute of Gps that will not let it be used as I plan.

The answer may be in adding QD, but also adding straight lube or ONR for extra lube. Will keep you posted.


I also want to test again to make sure that the yellow color bleed is not damaging.
 
WilliamWallacesWashAndWax- Yeah, that "yellow bleed" could indicate some pretty nasty transfer to the surface that you might oughta nip in the bud.
 
Talked to Dr g, that is the resin of the clay being broken down. Seems like this could make a good judge of whether further concentrations are success or fail. Regardless if they improve the surface, losing the clays life would become expensive
 
Sounds all very expensive for you since you are trying to use an almost lsp as a lubricant. I use maybe 32 oz of onr mix at clay lube dilution for a car which is cheap. Using even 16oz of your concoction is still more expensive. Not to mention that the cleaners are likely what ruined your clay.


The gps i doubt will make you much money with the dealers anyhow. Not sure if thats where youre going with this but for someone pushing a 6 minute rinseless this seems opposite spectrum.


Maybe discuss in your threads more about why you want to do something and maybe youll get more people responding. But unlike previous threads dont get so defensive or take it too personally if people shoot down the idea. If you can make it work, thats great, but there are a lot of more experienced people here(not me), so id tend to listen to them myself.
 
Dfox, gps is a great volume product as it can be applied by hand,

acts as a filler and a seal. Experience is a catchy thing. Just because

someone does the same thing over and over, doesn't mean they are

doing it the best way. Also with experience, it should be easy to see

why it is important to innovate.


The guy who was the most experienced at cars in 1990, might still be washing

the same way, because his experience doesn't allow him to open his mind

to new and profitable methods.


It is not my duty to explain everything 100 percent. If i get defensive, it is because

people get rude. Period.


And franky, i don't have the time to explain 100 percent about why i do things.

Even when i do explain, people are rude. It's not worth it.


To me, the moment someone brings in experience, is like they want to whip it out

in the bathroom with a ruler. This isn't a measuring contest. This isn't a who is better

contest. This is about respectful discussion of topics. Saying that i have to explain

everything fully just means that people do not have the same creative outlook.


It is okay to be set in your ways and ideas. But that thinking does little to help the industry.

How much flak do you think the guy who invented rinse less wash get? I bet alot.

Just because some "experienced" people don't understand, doesn't mean that is not

a valid idea.


Look at the way that Accumulator raised concerns in this thread. They were concise

questions, and they were not rude. This should be the attitude of true Autopians.
 
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