What happened to this board?

citizen arcane

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Not that I was a major contributor but haven't been here in some years and notice what was once a vibrant forum is no longer. For example - the Car Detailing sub forum (The Main Event!!!) used to have a page or more of new postings daily and is now down to a few a day. What happened to make it this way?
 
I'm not sure I've noticed a difference in traffic other than lack of the leg-humping of the latest and greatest product. It seems like the new mantra is stick to what works and don't hype stuff that doesn't.
 
Maybe people have learned to use the search function? Lots of the new posts were asking the same questions that have already been asked dozens of times here.
 
I have been around for a long time and notice the same thing. I think there are less new products, also less suppliers. I tend to stick with what I know works instead of trying everything new. Does seem alot less exciting around here.....
 
I miss the "Flavor of the month club". It kept things interesting. But I too have fallin back on just using the products I already have and know the results they give.
 
Saturated market place. Highly competitive products. Money is tighter, folks less willing to spend.
 
citizen arcane said:
Not that I was a major contributor but haven't been here in some years and notice what was once a vibrant forum is no longer. For example - the Car Detailing sub forum (The Main Event!!!) used to have a page or more of new postings daily and is now down to a few a day. What happened to make it this way?





I think your memory is incorrect. It’s not about quantity, it’s about quality. Maybe because we have the highest concentration of real/seasoned pros and enthusiasts. This forum is very active. Feel free to check out our Alexa info to see that traffic is up 40% in the last 30 days! Autopia.org Site Info We consistently have 3-4 new pages of posts each day. Unlike other related forums that utilize a full time staff to keep their forum content moving to push sales, we don’t. The discussion here is 100% organic, unbiased and not censored. I can’t say that much for many other places and the content you read is spot on in accuracy IMHO. Please keep in mind that Autopia as well as the overall online detailing community has evolved throughout the last decade. Take a stroll through the archives and it’s brutally obvious. Regardless, I’m glad you posted this and hope that you’ll consider contributing again like you did in the past.
 
A detailing forum is only as good as the people who contribute to it; Autopia has always been about the quality of its posts as opposed to “What’s the best wax” type questions.



Take a look at the ‘guides’ section, it contains the most informative and complete articles of any detailing forum on the Internet
 
Summer is upon us, more people are spending time outside than inside wishing they could be working outside (and by that I mean in a shaded area or in a garage polishing and waxing)
 
For the past year or more, I feel like there is a definite void or lack of connection to others when using the site. While traffic may be up, posts are way down. I wonder how much Facebook has affected post counts.



AG and AF certainly have taken center stage, while L2D, L4P, and DB have their loyal members as well. With guys like Mike Phillips and Todd Helme being employed by AG, their "followers" or "fans" travel to where they post. Even Fermani posts less, and then, it's not the same Fermani as before, because he is a Moderator now. I don't see Rydawg posts, and Scottwax posts less.



If traffic is up but posts are down, we have to figure out why guy aren't posting. I suspect that some guys are wary of posting click & brags because there are so many fantastic write-ups showing exotics. I still like to see a resurrection detail on a work truck or daily driver.



For me, I feel like I've written so much about what I know, that it's ridiculously repetitive. Then, I tend to write in a long-winded sort of way and stop myself from posting simply because I don't have the 15 or 30 minutes to spare.



I sometimes get irked if the original poster doesn't follow up with information discussing or showing whether or not they implemented some hard-written advice. Not expecting an atta-boy or you're the man necessarily, and I don't expect agreement, either. It's just nice to have a discussion.



I'll bet..... this is a large part of the problem, whether some will admit to it (or even realize it to be the case).



Food for thought.



I wouldn't mind taking some newbies under my wing, and already answer texts and e-mails.
 
Kevin Brown said:
If traffic is up but posts are down, we have to figure out why guy aren't posting. I suspect that some guys are wary of posting click & brags because there are so many fantastic write-ups showing exotics. I still like to see a resurrection detail on a work truck or daily driver.



For me, I feel like I've written so much about what I know, that it's ridiculously repetitive. Then, I tend to write in a long-winded sort of way and stop myself from posting simply because I don't have the 15 or 30 minutes to spare.



The same could be said of Mike Phillips in terms of having written so much about what he knows and being repetitive; half of his posts are typically copy/paste of stuff he's written in the past, and it's his paid job to do so (as well as develop new content aimed at pushing the latest stuff and making people want to buy it). Not that there's anything wrong with that, it is obviously a valid strategy that works for him and his employer.



Autopia, on the other hand, doesn't need to use those sort of tactics to drive visitor traffic, as people are already coming to the site specifically to use it as a reference/knowledge-base. Sure, some newbies do post and ask questions, but for every one person who asks a question, there are probably 5 more who just went back into the archives and found what they were looking for on their own.



This all begs the question, then: what sort of active traffic are we really looking to get more of?



If it's click and brags, well, we've already been down that road and it seems we all agree to disagree about what makes a good C'n'B and what should be considered acceptable here.



If it's technical advice about detailing and car care topics, then what segment(s) of the market are we not already able to cater to with what is in our archives? Is some of the archived information no longer accurate/relevant and in need of updating? If so, what can we do to entice people to take on those tasks?



Or is it the business side of detailing that will get people talking? It seems that a large majority of people on the site are either full time professionals, or dedicated enthusiasts who double as "weekend warrior" professionals. We've had a few people in the past who have made an attempt to bring the subject up with rather mixed results (though in some cases bedside manner was to blame for the response they received) but perhaps it's something worth focusing on, with the full understanding that not everyone has the same goals in mind or caters to the same type of market? Running a high end premium service doing in-depth technical work is in several ways different than running a profit-maximizing volume operation, but there are plenty of shared fundamentals to discuss as well as topics specific to each.



Ultimately it comes down to what purpose Autopia or its owners want it to serve. If they want to maintain it largely as an information resource that gets updated by its existing experienced active members as needed over time, trying to encourage more active posters is in some ways a solution in need of a problem that could ultimately end up diluting what is already built. If on the other hand they are looking for it to take on more of a marketing role as a sales-driver for 3D/HD, more active traffic specifically discussing the products is a necessity (hence David's "Free HD SPEED & POLISH???" thread).



So, is Autopia in the middle of an identity crisis? Does it want or need to be something different than it is now? Communities like this one tend to evolve organically depending on what its users want it to be. It is of course doable for the owners to force or at least steer an accelerated change but that sort of strategy will always come with a potential cost. Sites like AGO and AF that are largely sales oriented need a constant flow of new content to stay relevant (and thus an active push toward that content-generating goal); Autopia, in its current role as an archival library, seemingly stays relevant simply because of what it is and has previously been.



It's hard to say why some people are more loyal to one site over another when it comes to actively posting and sharing their knowledge, but we all have our reasons. Some may like the feeling of protection against attack a heavily censored and rigid environment provides them, and that is their prerogative, it's just not something they're going to find here. Others prefer the hands-off approach, and will migrate away from the more structured sites. And of course, there are always the social "cliques" who will act due more to peer pressure than logical reasoning.
 
I think the reposts are sometimes pretty valuable. The chemicals, products, and techniques used in this industry change every year, so seeing a more fresh perspective on the way to approach certain problems may change (such as the "new" matte finishes on vehicles, "new" microfiber pads for DAs working well for compounding, etc.).
 
I certainly don't miss the clowns and trolls that came with big crowds. These forums don't seem as active as they were when I went on my hiatus in '08, but I like that the crowd now is very helpful and to the point. Questions still get answered and topics are still discussed.
 
[I sometimes get irked if the original poster doesn't follow up with information discussing or showing whether or not they implemented some hard-written advice. Not expecting an atta-boy or you're the man necessarily, and I don't expect agreement, either. It's just nice to have a discussion.



I'll bet..... this is a large part of the problem, whether some will admit to it (or even realize it to be the case).



Food for thought. ] Kevin Brown



A valid point, along with many others raised in this post.



Without a response or feedback posting articles or giving a solution to a posters problem seems pointless, no one goes through all that effort and reseach to bolster their ego

 
As a relative newbie here and to the art, my impression here has so far been a positive one. I'm on here a lot but I don't post as much as I probably should as I can find a lot of answers on an issue I have just by searching the forums.....I know I hate to beat a dead horse or even revive it after it's been dead for several years. If I can't find answers to my issues then I'll post a question, but that happens rarely since there's so much to digest here.

Sure there's arguments and disagreements but where are you going to find a forum where everyone agrees and does everything to every one's liking? Probably nowhere just like in real life.

I'm with Kevin Brown, as nice as the luxury and exotic write ups are......and they do usually leave me picking up my jaw in awe......I love to see a very common daily driver receive the royal treatment. I've never detailed a vehicle that's beyond a dd, except for my ambulances but with the majority of the write ups here and elsewhere, I've learned that if you go into a detail with motivation and dedication to the craft, you'll always do a outstanding job and walk away hungry for more.

Last night I joined the chat but mostly just lurked in the corner so I could get a feel how everyone operates. Truthfully I get a sense of brotherhood here that is commonly seen in military, emergency services, among many other career fields that require teamwork and continuing education to remain on top and successful.

With forums like this, I don't think I would be anywhere near as good as I have gotten without reading the posts and then applying what I learned from the pro's and hardcore enthusiasts on my tasks at hand. I know I have a long way to go to get to the level a lot of folks here are at but as one with a very intense interest in detailing, I'm sure with absorbing the knowledge here I'll get there in no time!

Well there's my two scents on the subject! I'm glad there's a place on the net called Autopia that satisfies my craving for making cars look their very best!

A big thank you to the contributors here! Keep up the awesome work!! :rockon1:



Sean
 
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