What happened to my floormats?

(also posted on the other leather thread)

Anyone do a clearcoat test on something that you know is leather and not clearcoated. I'm going to go into my basement and dig out my winter leather coat (it is not shiny and I have "fed" it before) I will try it, but if anyone else will too we can have more than one experience. If any color doesn't come off then it would render the test invalid.
 
Traderalex1 is a dealer in hides. He posts on the Edmunds.com site (leather care section). I copied the earlier post re "don't use oil containing products on clearcoated leather" and asked his opinion. Here are his thoughts:


#449 of 452 further thoughts on conditioning and a useful website by traderalex1 Jul 20, 2001 (03:39 pm)
Yes, I don't believe any of the nationaly branded leather cleaners and conditioners will harm the automotive leathers out there. Most of the automotive leathers in use in the world have their roots from the American Big Three automotive leather tanners, whose dominance of this market is overwhelming. And they got where they are by offering a product featuring superior technique and quality, not marketing muscle.
Keep in mind several points: Leather was once living tissue with natural fats and oils, so putting it back into the leather is not going harm it. The automotive leather market really started to develop in the late 1980's. Prior to that period, it was not unheard of for automakers to employ furniture leather for their automotive seating, with predictable (and disasterous) results. The American Three pioneered a technology to produce a dedicated car seat leather that would hold up to abuse, as well as teh elements. They assume that the typical owner will likely do little or nothing to care for his/her car seats. So your own efforts and willingness to fuss after the upholstery in your car is an enormous plus torwards keeping the seats looking good, for years. An opportunity to keep your vehicle out of the sun, or in a cool garage, is also quite helpful. Yes, you can hurt automotive leather, if you really work at it, but it is not necessarily an easy thing to do.
Most of you participating in this form have likely using some nationally branded set of cleaner and conditioner in your cars, for years.
If you were causing damage to your seats, you would have likely seen evidence of some finish degradation, after a time. I think most of you have generally been happy with your long experience in using your chosen brand of care product(s). I don't believe these concerns that were brought up on that other website, therefore, make a whole lot of sense. I do agree, based on my own nose, it seem like there could be mineral spirits in Hyde Food. I have not yet been able to reach an expert for any commentary or advice as to why that might be so. But I do suspect, that if it is indeed in this product, that it is a trace amount. Its presence is likely to serve as a product thinner or stabilizer. In any case, straight mineral spirits would certainly wreck automotive upholstery. Many of you have been using Hyde Food for years, and seem to be very pleased with the long term results. My guess is that your long term experience is your answer.


Now, here is a chance for you to read what one of the kings of the automotive leather trade has to say about proper care for your car seats. Please go to this URL:


http://www.eagleottawa.com


When you get there, look for the "click", TIPS ON LEATHER CARE. It should be on the middle right side of their home page. Eagle Ottawa, as you remember from our earlier discussions is one of the three giant American automotive leather tanners, and this company certainly played a leading role in developing the technology that gives us the car seats we have today.


Some of your eyes might pop out, per their recommendation to use a 3M Scotch Brite pad to clean your leather. It caught my attention, too.
But please keep in mind that this text was likely put together or reviewed by one of their R&D technologists. If they recommend it, you can be certain that they tested the procedure in their labs extensively, so it must be so. You will note also that they are pushing a set of cleaner and conditioning products called "Tanner's Preserve". Don't be surprised if Eagle Ottawa is a share holder in this company....ha, but that does not mean these are bad products. I am sure they are good ones. Finally, scroll down their
Leather Care page, and look for the heading,
"HOW CAN A CONDITIONER HELP?". I would like to suggest to all you good folks that you can take that advice at Eagle's leather care page as kind of like a final authority. They are the ones making the leather, and subjecting it to expensive, rigorous testing all the time. So if anybody should know the right answer for care, it should be them.



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Thanks darbh for your great incite. Thanks for joining here as a result of some of our concerns also.



As I have said it would be better if some of "authorities" on leather products (Lexol,VW) could explain better the leather situation.



It seems that Eagle has and is doing that (and that's all that we want). We know we have good experiences with many of these products; it is just peace of mind that we understand why.



"Automotive leather is typically finished with coatings which protect the surface from the perils of the sun's damaging rays as well making it resistant to soiling. A good conditioner, such as Tanner's Preserve Leather Conditioning Cream, enhances these characteristics, helping to preserve the appearance and long term durability of the leather while adding a great leather aroma" (this is an actual example of some of our "discrepancies" of oil on coated leather being discussed)"



BTW, about scotch brite they make a million types in "scourablity" (hence the exact id #051131-07439). Like you said it really leads us to believe they know what they are talking about.
 
YoSteve.Com - Thanks for the acknowledgement. I know that all of us on this site are sincere and we are doing the best we can to reason out the best way of taking care of cars. The job is made more difficult by the false information (often contained in advertizing) given out by many outfits. Just look at those wash brooms with "extra stiff, rapidly rotating brushes" that are promoted to the public as being great for their cars.

I have found TraderAlex1 (at http://www.edmunds.com , TownHall, the Leather Care forum) to be very knowledgeble re leather -- and humble -- because although he knows vastly more than I do, he is quick to point out when he does not know.
 
When I bought my used '06 Grand Prix from a local dealer, I noticed that it didn't have any floormats.

When I questioned the salesman (who I've known for many years... friends), he said, "Oh, the previous owner probably sold them on eBay! We'll get you a new set."

I couldn't believe people would be so cheap!!!

Then he gave me the list of very common items that people take out of their cars to sell on eBay, prior to their trade in!

1. Owner's manual (most common)
2. Key fobs
3. Cargo nets
4. Floor mats
5. Rear speakers
6. K&N filters (leaving nothing in it's place)
7. Spare tire
8. Jack
9. Plastic engine covers

So, if you add all that stuff up, it's probably a hundred bucks. [Shaking my head in disbelief]

That kind of stuff really pi**es me off.:mad:

How the world has changed. I guess I'm getting old.
 
While I agree a few of those items are left out on trade in, more then likely the dealer threw the mats in the trash.
>>> Theres clean carpet under dem dare dirty mats <<<< these is there philosipy > :scared:
 
When I bought my used '06 Grand Prix from a local dealer, I noticed that it didn't have any floormats.

When I questioned the salesman (who I've known for many years... friends), he said, "Oh, the previous owner probably sold them on eBay! We'll get you a new set."

I couldn't believe people would be so cheap!!!

Then he gave me the list of very common items that people take out of their cars to sell on eBay, prior to their trade in!

1. Owner's manual (most common)
2. Key fobs
3. Cargo nets
4. Floor mats
5. Rear speakers
6. K&N filters (leaving nothing in it's place)
7. Spare tire
8. Jack
9. Plastic engine covers

So, if you add all that stuff up, it's probably a hundred bucks. [Shaking my head in disbelief]

That kind of stuff really pi**es me off.:mad:

How the world has changed. I guess I'm getting old.

that probably wouldnt have happened at the Ford dealership... haha:devil:
 
that probably wouldnt have happened at the Ford dealership... haha:devil:

When you buy a Certified Volvo they throw in (new) both carpet floor mats and all weather along with all the keys and all documentation along with new tires, brakes, rotors, fluids, etc., it's a pretty slick certification program actually. The total amount of work they did to bring it to "certified" status was a little over $6,000!! :w00t:
 
When you buy a Certified Volvo they throw in (new) both carpet floor mats and all weather along with all the keys and all documentation along with new tires, brakes, rotors, fluids, etc., it's a pretty slick certification program actually. The total amount of work they did to bring it to "certified" status was a little over $6,000!! :w00t:

I have noticed that people who have Volvos LOVE their Volvos.
Maybe one day I will have to check them out.
 
I have noticed that people who have Volvos LOVE their Volvos.
Maybe one day I will have to check them out.

They have a very loyal following, for sure. I'm fairly new to them, but I like them so far. However, I would not be able to buy them without the certified program as the new price is just too expensive for me. But, with the certification, I think I'm in a better position than new buyers. Bumper to bumper 100K mile warranty plus the new car price takes a nice hit once it drives off the lot.
 
I have noticed that people who have Volvos LOVE their Volvos.
Maybe one day I will have to check them out.

Plus, it seems as though Ford and Volvo are finally starting to share stuff, that new SHO has A LOT of Volvo safety features on it. I just wish Ford would let Volvo have that Sync System, I like the looks of that.
 
While I agree a few of those items are left out on trade in, more then likely the dealer threw the mats in the trash.
>>> Theres clean carpet under dem dare dirty mats <<<< these is there philosipy > :scared:

I have to agree with this. When we did dealer/auction cars we almost always tossed the mats.


LOL. I always had new mats for my Accord though! I would keep the nice ones for my own cars! :D
 
Apparently keys, owner's manuals, floor mats and the like are subject to being stolen out of loaners too, I've noticed every loaner that I get I only get the valet key, no floormats and there is never an owner's manual in it. Kind of sad actually that people would steal like that. Thieves are the lowest of the low in my book.
 
I want to know who would actually buy these items on Ebay? :out:

Dude, people buy used socks on ebay. Heck, I saw the other day where people were not only selling their Chicago Marathon Medals, but people where freaking buying them, at over $60 each.

1.) Why would you sell something that you worked so hard to get?
2.) Why would someone buy a medal from a race they didn't run/finish?

Ebay is crazy man. Heck, I've bought two cars and sold one on ebay and I would have NEVER thought I would do that 10 years ago, it's crazy.
 
Yeah I'd take your Blue S60R any day (may look at one for my next car). Any car I buy needs floor mats, I hate dirty carpets. I need to get the Weather tech ones for my Vibe, the floors get thrashed in winter, as it's the only care with snow tires we use it alot.
 
Yeah I'd take your Blue S60R any day (may look at one for my next car). Any car I buy needs floor mats, I hate dirty carpets. I need to get the Weather tech ones for my Vibe, the floors get thrashed in winter, as it's the only care with snow tires we use it alot.

There is my cars identical twin on ebay right now and the price is pretty good. Only difference is mine has the tan interior and it has the blue.
 
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