What do they use?
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imported_GeorgiaHybrid
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Well it starts with a $5,000 to $15,000 (or more) prep and paint job....... Add on a good detailer and viola! Beautiful Cuda...
They also arrange the lights at the auctions just like a jewelry store does. They highlight the product to show it at the best.
They also arrange the lights at the auctions just like a jewelry store does. They highlight the product to show it at the best.
heatgain
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It's kind of funny to me how they congratulate someone for paying half a million for a car. Those auction "helpers" are out there pumping up the bidders and the price.
But....I watch it every time I catch it on TV!
But....I watch it every time I catch it on TV!
imported_Jakerooni
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Why? Even if you found out what they use and were able to get it (which BTW I highly Highly doubt they use anything by mothers) unless you were able to get the same lighting as them you'd never get anywhere close to the same results...
charlesaferg
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They're probably coated with messy glazes loaded with all kinds of stuff, I doubt they use much traditional or even specialty LSPs for those auctions.
As somebody else stated above, it's all in the prep and paint work. A lot of those cars have tons more clear put on so they can sand it so much as to make it absolutely perfect.
As somebody else stated above, it's all in the prep and paint work. A lot of those cars have tons more clear put on so they can sand it so much as to make it absolutely perfect.
imported_MBenz
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Jakerooni said:
thats for sure. I doubt even chip foose uses mothers, he just endorses them for the $$$.
charlesaferg
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MBenz said:
bamboozled. :grinno:
BearValley
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MBenz said:
Chip is obviously a Turtle Wax man. You can tell by the haircut.
Sorry, just kidding.
I think that a lot of it has to do with the lighting, it makes a huge difference.
Dan
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Its amazing how good you can make a car look on tv or in pictures. If you shoot it in the right light, a turd looks like a million bucks. Like it has been said thousands of times, its all in the prep work, the lsp just doesn't matter in the big picture.
nosbusa1700
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Fwiw. Meguiar's "now under 3M" was at one time a sponsor and named the official wax for Barrett-Jackson's auction.
Accumulator
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Yeah, you can't really believe your eyes when it comes to how stuff looks on TV, photos, or the internet.
When I think of all the "perfect paint" vehicles I've flown off to inspect based on intenet photos
Not one of 'em was remotely as nice as it had looked in the pics, not *one*.
Regarding the auctions, I remember a cool old Allard that Mike Phillips prepped using (only) NXT. It sure looked nice on TV, but as for how its paint *really* looked....
When I think of all the "perfect paint" vehicles I've flown off to inspect based on intenet photos
Not one of 'em was remotely as nice as it had looked in the pics, not *one*.Regarding the auctions, I remember a cool old Allard that Mike Phillips prepped using (only) NXT. It sure looked nice on TV, but as for how its paint *really* looked....
Saleenman607
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I've noticed during the RM auctions here in Monterey, most, if not all the cars, have swirls. I've asked more than one "detailer" why these expensive older restoration cars are not properly detailed to remove the swirls, and they've all said the owners of most car's don't pay that close attention to the paint. Just make sure it's concourse ready to manufactures specs.
I mean.....WOW, you better have the paint absolutely mirror finish if you epect me to pay that kind of scratch.
Seriously tho, I firmly believe the final LSP is irrelevant if the paint is properly prepped. Why pay $500 to $5000 for an LSP when P21s or even souveran will work if you want to spend the extra scratch. It's ALL subjective. JMHO
I mean.....WOW, you better have the paint absolutely mirror finish if you epect me to pay that kind of scratch.
Seriously tho, I firmly believe the final LSP is irrelevant if the paint is properly prepped. Why pay $500 to $5000 for an LSP when P21s or even souveran will work if you want to spend the extra scratch. It's ALL subjective. JMHO
Accumulator
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Saleenman607 said:
Heh heh, a lot of cars win high-level concours competetions with finishes that people here wouldn't accept on their grocery-getters
Eh, they're buying the car, not the condition of its paint. Sorta repeating my above comment, 99% of "serious car collectors" simply don't care about paint the way we do here.
That red Benz SSK that went for mega-bucks- you could clearly see marring, even on TV.
Note that, quite often, frequently-shown cars (let alone ones with original paint) simply cannot be made/kept marring-free, at least not all season long. Those original-paint cars often can't even be corrected to any significant extent (I have two cars like that- any real correction would precipitate a repaint). In these cases the glaze/LSP really *can* make a huge difference.
I recently did a pal's Jag for the Glenmoor Gathering show; the best I could do was a *VERY* light correction (I took a lot of ETG measurements too, I didn't want to be the guy who messed it up even if it is already repainted :grinno: ) and then a lot of NXT. Really crappy by Autopian standards, worse than any of my drivers, but it was still one of the nicest looking paintjobs there. (If anybody was at that show, this was the blue '60 MKII).
imported_ZimRandy
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Watch the shows and you'll see guys using dirty towels and detail sprays all the time. Remember to look at the climate at Barrett Jackson in Scottsdale.........dusty. These cars sit out in the desert for several days and then get a quick wipedown prior to going across the block. Some get wiped down several times throughout the week on cars that were probably in good shape when they arrived.
I did a quick once over on a '67 Malibu that a friend picked up at BJ Scottsdale and it was full of swirls like those from poor washing, drying, or detail spray wipe downs on a dusty car. It had really nice paint, just full of swirls that were preventable. :wall
Randy
I did a quick once over on a '67 Malibu that a friend picked up at BJ Scottsdale and it was full of swirls like those from poor washing, drying, or detail spray wipe downs on a dusty car. It had really nice paint, just full of swirls that were preventable. :wall
Randy
Saintlysins
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I used to spend a lot of time at invitational shows and have taken a few awards. Earlier in my show car days, I had my 65 Jag DOWNGRADED (97 points to 93 points) because they thought the paint was "too perfect" and they believed it was repainted with clear coat(s) for that kind of shine! It was under protest that the car was brought back to a 97 point car - which took inviting judges to witness my technique on a few scrap panels. Since then, I stopped going for the perfect shine when showing.
At a certain point, judges want to be able to see 'into-the-paint' (an entirely different kind of 'depth' than we talk about on this site), like the way they could when the car was new. With todays chemistry and technique we can get old paint to give shine and reflection like never before. The judges want to see the cars 'exactly' the way they saw them back in the days when they knew those cars as 'new' - they discount/downgrade when the paintwork is better than what the factory put out when it was new.
As ZIMRANDY pointed out, some of these shows take place in horrific conditions and 95% of the owners don't have a clue as to how to 'dust' a car without marring the paint as they wipe 'em down without a clue as to what they're doing :nervous2: and why the cars look worse toward the end of the shows than the beginning.
Many of us say - the worst thing you could do to your paint job, is to bring it to a multi-day show :lol
The TV Shows use a lot of long, florescent bulb lighting to enhance the cars finish. Notice the bulbs always run in the same direction as the cars. This gives the curves accent and the apparent shine you see on TV, regardless of how smudged or micro-marred the paint is.
You would not believe the horrors I've seen in person, only to see the show on TV weeks later and watch in disbelief as to how good the car looks. I alway wonder how disappointed the phone-bidders are when they take possession of the car!?! :aww:
At a certain point, judges want to be able to see 'into-the-paint' (an entirely different kind of 'depth' than we talk about on this site), like the way they could when the car was new. With todays chemistry and technique we can get old paint to give shine and reflection like never before. The judges want to see the cars 'exactly' the way they saw them back in the days when they knew those cars as 'new' - they discount/downgrade when the paintwork is better than what the factory put out when it was new.
As ZIMRANDY pointed out, some of these shows take place in horrific conditions and 95% of the owners don't have a clue as to how to 'dust' a car without marring the paint as they wipe 'em down without a clue as to what they're doing :nervous2: and why the cars look worse toward the end of the shows than the beginning.
Many of us say - the worst thing you could do to your paint job, is to bring it to a multi-day show :lol
The TV Shows use a lot of long, florescent bulb lighting to enhance the cars finish. Notice the bulbs always run in the same direction as the cars. This gives the curves accent and the apparent shine you see on TV, regardless of how smudged or micro-marred the paint is.
You would not believe the horrors I've seen in person, only to see the show on TV weeks later and watch in disbelief as to how good the car looks. I alway wonder how disappointed the phone-bidders are when they take possession of the car!?! :aww:
Accumulator
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Saintlysins said:
Yeah, we have to deal with that on the '60 MKII; it *was* reshot with b/c and can easily look "too bright and metallic". I toned it down with Meg's products, all those trade secret oils gave a nice gloss without enhancing the metallic too much. I wanted to put some 476S on it but the owner was leery of that idea...maybe next year
All the required wipe-downs are a *BIG* part of why my '85 XJS (~18K miles, very very original, very very nice) is never gonna be a concours competitor; I simply won't risk marring the (too-thin-to-correct) paint to impress somebody.