well, finally tried Klasse SG -- yuk

I agree, its unfortunate that the member did not read the interview with the President of Klasse US where he states that, even on a new car, aio should be used first as there is a chance that sg will not work well with another product which was used prior to sg.
 
I love the stuff. Took a while to learn the technique (some from you guys, thnx).



prep with AIO

use a very small amount of SG & wipe off immediately

next, day, wash and apply another coat



I'm no expert but I (and others who see my car) think it looks great. I KNOW it's durable as heck.
 
I think SG is being downgraded unfairly here. I am a beginner myself. Up until I bought my current vehicle, I waxed my car once every five years, took it to automated car washes, and never used anything on it but consumer products. I was exactly the guy some of you look down on.



So, after getting my first nice new car (an Acura TSX). I came across this site. I spent a few weeks reading here, learning about the importance of surface prep, proper washing techniques, etc. Then, I ordered Klasse in the mail, and applied using the WOWO method. AIO X 2, SG X 4 and poof - beautiful shine, excellent durability, and great resistance to dust. I have people stop me all the time to ask about what I do to get the car looking so nice.



Since I first started to experiment with SG, I've also started to use S100 (which I also learned about here) as a topper. Just love the results!



Klasse is not a mass market product. It doesn't sell at Autozone, or Target. It is product for educated users who are willing to take a little while to apply it carefully. Used in that manner, it is one of the most durable sealants out there.
 
I have used SG for two years with no problems. Very durable. I always apply it according to the bottle's direction.
 
I also have used SG and I didnt have a problem. I put it on after AIO, I put the SG in a squirt bottle and use a drop at a time on a damp terry cloth using the wowo method.
 
It has been said here, but needs reiterating, IMHO.



Following the last step in polishing, it is REQUIRED to put AIO on the paint. This will chemically clean the paint to remove any oils and/or fillers from the previous polishing steps. In addition, is will lay down an "acrylic base layer" to which the SG can adhere. Only then can SG be successfully applied.
 
I've noticed that it's much easier to remove SG if I apply it when it's cool and humid. It seems that if the weather conditions slow down drying it's much easier to remove. When it's hot, or dry and windy, I find it much more difficult to remove.



I leave it on for 30-45 minutes when its cool and humid, and I use the Bill North method when the weather is hot.



Anyone else find this to be the case?
 
ram said:
I've noticed that it's much easier to remove SG if I apply it when it's cool and humid. It seems that if the weather conditions slow down drying it's much easier to remove. When it's hot, or dry and windy, I find it much more difficult to remove.



I leave it on for 30-45 minutes when its cool and humid, and I use the Bill North method when the weather is hot.



Anyone else find this to be the case?
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Absolutely!



Actually, I've found that SG is very easy to remove if:

1) you use the BillNorth method

2) you wait a couple of hours, until it has COMPLETELY dried



If you try to wipe SG off while it is tacky, then you really have your work cut out for you (unless you use some Sonus spritz to assist).



It seems that the SG sets up much quicker in cool, dry weather, which is most likely the reason that you find the difference. In the summer, the humidity extends the time required to completely dry.
 
ram said:
I've noticed that it's much easier to remove SG if I apply it when it's cool and humid
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I found humidity to make SG especially difficult. Needless to say, I'm not a fan of SG. Durability is a none issue, as I never go more than 5 or 6 weeks without applying some protection to my finish.



When I first purchased my car I applied AIO + SG(X5) using various methods including WOWO and removing with Sonus. I never was impressed with the look.



I prefer EX or EX-P topped with a carnauba:up
 
NHBFAN:



I live 50 miles from New Orleans, and with the weather we had yesterday, I applied AIO then SG and then allowed 1 hour before removing. The SG removed very easy and seems to be the same during similar weather. I used AIO and SG on my wife's Jeep three weeks ago when it was near 90ºF and it was a PITA to remove unless I used WOWO. This pattern has been very consistent for me.
 
ram,



Perhaps the cooler weather does help. Most of my experience with SG is in hot and humid weather (our typical weather). My biggest complaint about SG isn't it's difficulty in removing. I'm just not a fan of it's "look".
 
Pondscum said:
The most common mistake people make when they use SG for the first time (including myself) is they put too much on. You really need to put it on as thinly as possible. Most who have used SG have a story similar to yours. Many of us grow to love SG. There is definitely a learning curve when it comes to application and removal.
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I agree
 
I always tell people put about as much on as you would chap-stick. Do you see chap-stick when you put it on your lips? is it a lot of product? No, and that's the analogy I tell them. Always apply SG on a freshly AIO'd surface and use a soft sponge applicator laying it on.



I've been using it forever and during the last detail, me and my buddy used Klasse by hand while my two other buddies used Megs with a buffer. Our cars looked great, but who's car looks better now (and is way easier to wash)...that would be ours :)



BTW, the learning curve isn't that steep, I made my sister do it (course I was there)
 
I just finished applying my 3rd layer of SG this weekend. In normal daylight everything looks fine, but under intense flouresent light I can see some streaks in certain spots. I'm not too concerned, because I know have the car protected for the winter. Plus, I'm excited to add a layer of P21S as a topper.



What I would like to know is, what are some non-caruba based QDs? I use griot's QD currently, but I'm not sure if that is carnuba based or not. I would like to find something that could erase any mistakes I make with the SG immediately after I apply it.
 
Try Sonux Acrylic Spritz before you wax. It will eliminate those pesky SG streaks. If fact, you prolly don't een need to wax at all.....
 
Another QD'er that works well on SG (but not as well as Sonus) is Megs Final Inspection. I'm looking also looking forward to trying Four Star's Detailing Spray on Klasse.
 
The Klasse SG did not come off easy and for all the rubbing I had to do with towels I just wasnt impressed with the outcome.
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Vintage description of applying too much SG. When it's missapplied, it's a bear.
 
i understand that you are frustrated with it for your first use BUT if this product wasn't worth the time and effort, it wouldn't be so praised on this site.. just my .02



Vernon
 
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