Waxes and sealants

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about your comments about only wanting people's own opinions. All I offer is my own opinions about products I've actually used. If I'm passing on a group impression, I'll point that out and mention I've never used the product. I think you will find most everyone here does the same. I do use Klasse on my wife's car and it does give an interesting look that is quite different than a carnauba. I do not have a black car, though. I think if you want a non-carnauba look, Klasse will provide it. Zaino probably will too, but I've never used it. If you are curious about trying one of these things, then try it. That's the best way to find out how it will look on your car.



Also, keep in mind that pictures don't always tell the story. Oftentimes the great pictures people post have more to do with the time of day, lighting, and angle the car was shot from than they do the actual finish on the car. Pictures are funny like that.
 
I'm not sure what you want is to get a (relatively small) number of people's opinions in your thread and base your decision on that. I don't think it's the best way to gather info about products and you could end up with a heavier bias on one product over another. At the time I was choosing products Blackfire was disappointing, and Zaino and Klasse were kings among sealants. What I did was find all (or almost all ;)) the sealant products that people had used, and then individually searched for opinions about each product's shine characteristics, pros and cons, etc, etc. and take mental note of some of the differences. Some things I wrote down too to keep track. I was kinda new to it all at the time, so I decided what kind of "look" I wanted after researching. I picked Klasse for a variety of reasons, but mainly because it was durable and had the look I wanted to try. It was a long process, but I felt it gave the best consensus of opinions on the sealants I was interested in. Ultimately I think it helped make a more confident independant decision myself.



I also agree with Aurora about the unreliability of pictures. Along with the factors he mentioned could be other subtle things like the make and model of digicam it was taken with, and what resolution the original was, etc, etc. There are certain tricks you can use to make really impressive reflection shots that would otherwise look ordinary.
 
My favorite black car pics.....zainoed :)



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Though, a lot of reflection. Which is good. But do you have any black cars zainoed without any reflection? Any side by side comparisons? I find myself looking at the reflections more than the paint itself. Wonderful though. If available, do you have any black cars ANY people that do not exhibit reflections?

The one that comes close is the black corvette at the end. That way, myself and others can see the true nature of the car that is real. Not some shadow cast that one believes is real. I agree 4DSC, it seems Klasse and Zaino are now the biggest players and have been. These photos are art work. Very creative, trying to capture such elegance. Art work does not necessarily reflect the real though.







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Dude, get rid of that ugly palm tree sticker on your hood!!!



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This is just amazing... even if the car is new...
 
A C4 vette, and my Black acura



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Knight said:
Though, a lot of reflection. Which is good. But do you have any black cars zainoed without any reflection? Any side by side comparisons? I find myself looking at the reflections more than the paint itself. Wonderful though. If available, do you have any black cars ANY people that do not exhibit reflections?

The one that comes close is the black corvette at the end. That way, myself and others can see the true nature of the car that is real. Not some shadow cast that one believes is real. I agree 4DSC, it seems Klasse and Zaino are now the biggest players and have been. These photos are art work. Very creative, trying to capture such elegance. Art work does not necessarily reflect the real though.
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Why would we have pics of non reflective black cars? Unless the car has no clear coat and has 10 years of oxidation on it then a black car will still reflect. Its the nature of black. Even the chalk board will reflect if you look at it right.



Oh, that vette pic you were looking at isn't black. Its actually green. I remember when that was first post and the poster said it was a really dark green I believe. Some of my favorite pictures that have been post have been of Corvettes. There is a really impressive yellow one ou there too.
 
You can minimize the reflections by not trying to capture them. Am I mistaken when I say that most here taking pictures do tend to make SURE to get a reflection in the paint for public display? The acura and corvette are more realistic it looks like. Good shots detailking. I am glad I say those pics.











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I will search for articles about klasse and Zaino, since they are the top choice and probably the best out there, for black cars or any car. Any search tips or reviews you can remember about these two being compared?



Lastly, If anyone has tried both the Zaino and Klasse, I would like to know which one they picked to use and have disregarded the other, for some particular reason? This is the most valuable information I think I can get for these two products to make my own decision. So only asking those that have used both and stuck with only one for some reasons. I am sure both are almost identical to each other and produce a result that there really is no difference. Just curious the reasons people have using both and picking one. It simply might be easier application, or a different look, or because the name sounded better. LOL, Anyway let me know. I will do the research and try to come up with my own decision, but I want to here some of the reasons that people have used to decide on one of the products.

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Knight said:
I will search for articles about klasse and Zaino, since they are the top choice and probably the best out there, for black cars or any car. Any search tips or reviews you can remember about these two being compared?



Lastly, If anyone has tried both the Zaino and Klasse, I would like to know which one they picked to use and have disregarded the other, for some particular reason? This is the most valuable information I think I can get for these two products to make my own decision. So only asking those that have used both and stuck with only one for some reasons. I am sure both are almost identical to each other and produce a result that there really is no difference. Just curious the reasons people have using both and picking one. It simply might be easier application, or a different look, or because the name sounded better. LOL, Anyway let me know. I will do the research and try to come up with my own decision, but I want to here some of the reasons that people have used to decide on one of the products.

Thank you for the time
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You don't have to choose only one product and use that all the time. I don't use solely Klasse, Platinum or Blackfire. I use Blitz on some cars, Souveran on others and P21S on others still. I've got several waxes and sealants that I mix and match to get different effects. To only have one brand of product in your cabinet can be compared to having a pallet of 5 colors with one shade of each color. To use all kinds of products is like having different shades of each of those 5 colors. You can still paint a good picture with five colors, but imagine what you could do with five times that amount. Some colors look better with Klasse and some look better with Zaino. You can bet that when I get Zaino that I'll still keep my supplies of the other sealants fresh.



Check out the Product Review Archive for some good reviews of Zaino and Klasse. The debate between the two of them is older than Autopia is. There are good points on each side which only proves that there is value in owning some of both. They are very different products with very different results. If they were as similar as you think they are then this battle wouldn't have gone on for as many years as it has. ;):up
 
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Just curious the reasons people have using both and picking one. It simply might be easier application, or a different look, or because the name sounded better. LOL, Anyway let me know.

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I use many products but if we are just talking about Klasse and Zaino.....i would pick klasse. looks aside, i think Klasse clearly outlasts Zaino on other people's cars. Before anybody jumps my a** for this statement, let me explain why. Oh yeah, this is MY experience. If i'm going to apply a sealant to a customer's car, then i want it to last a long time. most people wont be willing to put much time (if any) into their car's appearance when i am finished with it. That said, in my opinion, klasse lasts longer on customers' cars because it doesn't require the pampering zaino does. no customer of mine is usually willing to buy z6 and z7 for weekly washes and qd sessions. take this for what it's worth because it is just my experience and others may disagree.



On the other hand, we are talking about YOUR car so the above probably doesn't apply to someone who is an autopian. :xyxthumbs
 
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Bah! Being Autopian isn't a hobby... Its a way of life. :D :xyxthumbs
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Wow....ain't that the truth!!! I haven't looked at a car in the last two weeks here in messy St. Louis without thinking, "man, I wonder what that car would look like detailed." I am possessed...........:eek:
 
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looks aside, i think Klasse clearly outlasts Zaino on other people's cars. Before anybody jumps my a** for this statement, let me explain why. Oh yeah, this is MY experience.
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Bah! Don't worry...this is the only forum I know of where it's usually the zaino zealots that get flamed or mocked.... :D
 
looks aside, i think Klasse clearly outlasts Zaino on other people's cars. Before anybody jumps my a** for this statement, let me explain why. Oh yeah, this is MY experience.
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No need for an apology. Don't be scared to say that you think Klasse beats on Zaino in clarity and how long it lasts, like a red headed step child. You have tried both... You picked the one that you believed is better. It is as simple as that. ding, ding, 1 point for KSG. Thus far Klasse 1 Zaino 0.





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lol, Wax is always fun to talk about. You know you want to.

Have you used both? if you have which one did you pick over the other?





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Knight said:
lol, Wax is always fun to talk about. You know you want to.

Have you used both? if you have which one did you pick over the other?





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I am not going to fall to the Z vs K fight war, I have used both, I like both, I still use both. As I said I know that there are atleast 5 threads about this already.
 
What is with all the steps and all the BS addons they say you need? Klasse says I need to put this AIO before the SG. Why would I do that when it has abrasives in it? During polishing I will have removed them all with the buffer. Why would I need an abrasive polish to screw that work up? zaino has all these steps are products of theirs of course to get you to use them. Same polish cleaner product as klasse before hand. Why can't I just put the sealant on. This upsets me. All the addons they advertise you need to have in order to use the sealant.





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