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Nebraskaz71

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Hey I'm fairly new to detailling but I've had bad luck with removing nattys blue on my red gmc sierra show truck. My process was ssr 2.5 orange pad ssr1 on white pad then aio, rmg, exp wait 24hrs then nattys blue. I use pakshak microfibers to remove the product but it seems like it doesn't matter if I leave the nattys blue on for 10 mins or an hr, I can't ever get it all to come off and I have to use some pretty serious force to remove what I can. I am still finding spots where it didn't come off and it needs to all be re done anyways for up coming shows. I know nattys blue is suppose to be super easy to remove so anyone have a clue what I'm doing wrong? I live in nebraska so its fairly hot and humid but all of my detailling takes place inside a garage if that matters.
 
How do you know exactly how much to use with that? I try to get it to where it covers evertyhing pretty even but its very possible that I do use to much.
 
The amount applied is so thin that you can't see it if you look at the paint directly. But if you look at an angle with a light source reflecting on the paint, you can see that it is hazy/oily
 
I don't know what you're using to apply it- pc or by hand? I've had good experiences with NB too, and a little of it goes a long ways. You're probably using too much, as others have said. If I knew if you were doing it by hand or by pc, I could give you a bit more help.
 
Nebraskaz71 said:
How do you know exactly how much to use with that? I try to get it to where it covers evertyhing pretty even but its very possible that I do use to much.
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Noting that I've never used NB....



Think of the wax bonding at the molecular level. If you have wax on the applicator, and you move the applicator over the paint, you're almost certainly gonna get sufficient wax on the vehicle. It can be pretty amazing how *little* wax you really need; virtually all the wax you see gets buffed off. I can usually *barely* see my wax (or other LSP, I go even thinner with sealants) on the paint. If you can clearly see the wax on the paint then you used a lot more than you need to.



If you're worried about sufficient coverage, move the applicator over each area a few times (a PC/Cyclo makes this a piece of cake). Even if you hardly see any wax on there, you'll notice that the applicator "glides" due to the lubrication provided by the wax. When applying by hand, I probably go by feel/tactile cues more than anything else.



Think there's no wax on your applicator and you need to add more? Find some chrome/aluminum/glass/glossy black plastic trim, some surface that you don't mind waxing- wipe the "no wax left on it" applicator over this surface...you'll probably see there's still plenty of wax there. The wax just shows up better on some surfaces than it does on paint.



After I apply wax to an applicator, I try to scrape as much wax back *off* of it as I can before I start waxing. I just want enough wax on the applicator to "lube" it, that's plenty.



Test to see if you're using too much wax- when you're finished, see how much wax you clean out of your applicator. There shouldn't be much wax in it at all. I bet I could wax an entire (small ;) ) vehicle with the wax that many people have left in the pad.



Heh heh, I'm just finishing up a can of #16 that I opened over a decade ago. There's hardly any wax left in it, just a bit in the outer edge of the bottom of the can...it's been almost empty like that for the last 3 waxings of the A8 and there are a few *more* waxings left (note that the A8 isn't a small car).
 
By hand for wax always and yes its very very humid here. By the sounds of it i'm using way way to much wax. I always apply it so that I can see a decent coat on the paint without a light source other than the garage door open. Sounds like I need to cut way way back. Thanks for the info again guys and I'll be giving it a try next week so we'll see how it works out :)
 
One other possibility to consider ....



Several past users of EX-P have reported EX-P residue to mysteriously re-appear a day or two after application. I believe the cause was thought to be from having been put on too heavily, although I don't believe any definate explanation was ever given.



Could this part of the problem? :nixweiss



I agree with the other posts here that the most likely cause is the wax being applied too thick.
 
I also have NB and EX-P. I was wondering if anyone has a picture of how much EX-P should be applied to a pad in order to have a really thin coating of the sealant? I've heard that if there is too much EX-P it can cause some dullness to the paint.
 
I just ran into the same problem as you on a black SUV putting NB over KSG and it looks like I have holograms all over and I applied by hand and removed by hand, both with MF. I agree by what has been said I used way too much and after some QD I still see it. Makes me want to AIO it all over and skip the KSG :grrr. All that effort and it looks like a runaway rotary hit it. Lesson to be learned I guess.
 
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