Washing VS. wax+ Quick Detailer?

Victory, my cars are dark blue, red, and 2 black ones. The 20 year old ss red paint is the one I noticed this with. My black 18 year old ss paint is fine.



What duster do you use? I use the california car duster, but thinking about switching.
 
Accumulator said:
I wash properly and I don't touch it between washes unless I get an especially nasty bird-bomb.



Back when I had to park outside all the time I just let the car get dirty between washes (and I do the same thing now that they're all garaged). I guess it's more of my Autopian Heresy, but IMO daily life isn't a car show so I don't expect my vehicles to look just-detailed all the time.



+1



I wish I had the free time to wash my car so many times per week, but life always gives you more important responsibilities that you need to take care of first. Even if I had the time, I probably could think of a better way to use it than wash a black car that will just get dusty again in a matter of minutes/hours.
 
Accumulator said:
I wash properly and I don't touch it between washes unless I get an especially nasty bird-bomb.



Back when I had to park outside all the time I just let the car get dirty between washes (and I do the same thing now that they're all garaged). I guess it's more of my Autopian Heresy, but IMO daily life isn't a car show so I don't expect my vehicles to look just-detailed all the time.
here, here. Perthaps the difference between enthusiast and obsessiveness. At some point you just gotta put the polisher down and admire the work - otherwise, you'd never get out of the garage!
 
If there is any visible dirt on the car I would wash it and not just a quick detail. I use a quick detailer after a wash between waxes. If I wax once a month, wash four times a month, I will quick detail three times a month. I agree that a quick detail is not enough lubrication to safely remove any type of grit on your paint. If you have a clean surface it adds a lot of pop and revitalizes your wax job.
 
SuperBee364 said:
I wash mine almost daily.. about five times per week. :o



However, 99% of those washes are completely touch free. The only time I touch it is if I'm going to be applying another coat of wax afterward.



Just remember that *all* swirls and the vast majority of scratches in your paint are caused by *you touching it* with something. That something could be a wash mitt, MF while QD'ing, etc. If you don't touch it, it won't swirl. Taking your car to a touchless automatic would be better than QD'ing it without washing it first.



I had a repeat customer recently bring me his car for a complete exterior detail. I had told him last year that if he would completely avoid touching his paint it wouldn't ever swirl or scratch. For the following year, he used nothing but touch free automatic washes. When I next saw the car, there were zero swirls, and hardly any new scratches. I was able to spend the entire time jeweling the finish instead of correcting swirls and scratches. The car looked better than new when it was done.



Moral: DON'T TOUCH YOUR PAINT any more often than absolutely necessary.

Correction: Just remember that *all* swirls and the vast majority of scratches in your paint are caused by *you touching it* INCORRECTLY with something.

I think you 'could' wash/dry a car every week - heck, every day even, without scratches or swirls IF DONE PROPERLY. The real issue is that the 'regular people' think they know how to do it, but many really don't and cause more harm then they know.

Shhh...but good car maintenance is... {a few good practices + a few good products} = a really nice ride... that continues to look brand new.
 
RDAVEX7 said:
Victory, my cars are dark blue, red, and 2 black ones. The 20 year old ss red paint is the one I noticed this with. My black 18 year old ss paint is fine.



What duster do you use? I use the california car duster, but thinking about switching.



That's what i'm using. I'm not sure if there's really a difference between that one and the OXO. The OXO costs $10 more and has the "paint safe grip", but i don't dust the car with the grip side so i'm not sure it's worth it :D. Basically, this time of year every time i walk outside there's a light coat of pollen on my paint just barely hanging on with static. I run the duster over pretty much just dangling the fibers, barely on the paint. If something doesn't come off, it stays there until the next wash (with the exception of an errant birdbomb, which i will QD off, if there's a lot, wash time.)



Personally, i think using QD on light dusting probably gets you more marring than using the duster. With QD you are wiping the dust off with as much pressure on your microfiber as it take to remove the QD, with the duster you are lifting it off with very minimal pressure. I can't see that grinding anything into the paint.
 
My Red RX-7 looks nice with DWG but it appears to attract more dust now. Im constantly getting shocked! Even when I try to sneak up on it and pick up my feet :D
 
I think QD'ing to remove light dust is pretty easy if you spray the MF instead of the paint. Use very light pressure (barely glide MF across paint) and that should prevent unnecessary marring. Even the slickest QD will grab initially if applied directly to paint.



I'm a regular QD applier and don't have any issues--although its an Audi hard-as-diamonds paint.
 
I tried this but quickly discovered I was marring the paint. Never again. I think quick detailers are some of the most dangerous products available.
 
wfedwar said:
I tried this but quickly discovered I was marring the paint. Never again. I think quick detailers are some of the most dangerous products available.
Must be you've never used Optimum No Rinse.
 
Nope, and I don't have any reason to. If I lived in an apartment or something, I'd understand the reasoning to do something like that, but I can easily water wash my car every day of the year, provided I have the time.
 
abbeysdad said:
Must be you've never used Optimum No Rinse.



That's gotta be one of the greatest detailing products ever invented. I've been going back and forth on what's the best touch based washing method. Recently, I've been doing a touchless wash to remove just about everything off the paint (high pressure rinse, layer of foam out of the foam cannon, let it dwell, high pressure rinse, spot free rinse) then following that up with an ONR wash (using the ONR wash to dry the car)before moving on to waxing or polishing. Previously, I'd had some problems using ONR; I was getting some occasional marring. Since I've been doing the touchless wash followed by ONR, I haven't seen any marring at all.
 
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