Wash, Clay, AIO, then UPP?

I would DEFINITELY clay a new car!!! You're going to have a "FULL" morning!! Enjoy & post pics when you're done :)



PS - P/M is almost written ;)
 
First off, thanks to everyone for all the feedback here. In last than a week, I have learned more than I could ever imagine about detailing. My order is due sometime today and the fun begins tomorrow (tonight if it is not too late).

So in summary, the general feed back I have received is apply the AIO and then apply the UPP and follow it with another 2 applications in a couple of days with no real need to apply a wax on top of that.

My next question is what to do down the road...a couple of months out. Would you apply AIO and 3 more applications of UPP or just stick with the UPP until the surface appears to need another cleaning with AIO?

Thanks again to everyone!
 
SmoothAsGlass said:
My next question is what to do down the road...a couple of months out. Would you apply AIO and 3 more applications of UPP or just stick with the UPP until the surface appears to need another cleaning with AIO?
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Here again, you will get diferent advice based on different experiences.

For me, the following routine seems to work pretty good.

Spring & Fall:
Swirl removal, Klasse AIO, 4Star UPP

Every 3 to 4 months:
AIO, UPP

Each month:
UPP

Weekly or more often if needed:
Wash or CCD followed by a quick detailer. While I have several, 4 Star UGE seems to be my favorite QD at this time.

This is for daily drivers that spend about 1/2 of their time garaged. They get washed whenever they are dirty. The wash job could be a bucket wash, S&W or a touchless to knock off some mud or salt and follow up with S&W.

If I notice swirls or contaminated paint in an area, I will do whatever I think is needed regardless of the time frame.

You will develop a feel for what is needed to keep you satisfied with how your vehicle looks.

Charles
 
Actually, I like your approach and at least for now, that is what I am planning on doing.

When you apply AIO and UPP, for both products, do you do the entire car and then go back and wipe it off and do sections of the car at a time? Doesn't seem like it would make much of a difference to keep on AIO, but maybe it would be good for UPP?


CharlesW said:
Here again, you will get diferent advice based on different experiences.

For me, the following routine seems to work pretty good.

Spring & Fall:
Swirl removal, Klasse AIO, 4Star UPP

Every 3 to 4 months:
AIO, UPP

Each month:
UPP

Weekly or more often if needed:
Wash or CCD followed by a quick detailer. While I have several, 4 Star UGE seems to be my favorite QD at this time.

This is for daily drivers that spend about 1/2 of their time garaged. They get washed whenever they are dirty. The wash job could be a bucket wash, S&W or a touchless to knock off some mud or salt and follow up with S&W.

If I notice swirls or contaminated paint in an area, I will do whatever I think is needed regardless of the time frame.

You will develop a feel for what is needed to keep you satisfied with how your vehicle looks.

Charles
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For AIO, it's wipe on, wipe off. I find it easier to do that per panel. What are UPP's instructions? If it's like Wolfgang, it's best to do the whole car and/or wait 45 minutes+ depending on conditions, lightly wiping the finish to ensure it is complete dry and then wipe/buff it off.
 
SmoothAsGlass said:
When you apply AIO and UPP, for both products, do you do the entire car and then go back and wipe it off and do sections of the car at a time? Doesn't seem like it would make much of a difference to keep on AIO, but maybe it would be good for UPP?
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For any product, follow the instructions!
Klasse AIO should be applied with a damp applicator to one section and then wiped off. IMO, there would be no advantage in letting it dry and it might be difficult to remove.
4 Star UPP should be applied very thinly to the entire with a dry applicator, let it dry at least 15 minutes to an hour. It will wipe off effortlessly when it is time to remove it. I usually let it dry an hour just to be sure it is fully dry.
If you have a problem removing UPP, you either applied it too heavy or it hasn't dried long enough.
The thin application is very important to the ease of use of UPP. If you can see the UPP, you have applied enough. As a guess, maybe 1 to 1.5 oz. to do an average vehicle.
You are going to love the look after the AIO and you will be like "Wow!", after the UPP

Charles
 
Thanks for the great advice; will keep you posted on how it turns out.

CharlesW said:
For any product, follow the instructions!
Klasse AIO should be applied with a damp applicator to one section and then wiped off. IMO, there would be no advantage in letting it dry and it might be difficult to remove.
4 Star UPP should be applied very thinly to the entire with a dry applicator, let it dry at least 15 minutes to an hour. It will wipe off effortlessly when it is time to remove it. I usually let it dry an hour just to be sure it is fully dry.
If you have a problem removing UPP, you either applied it too heavy or it hasn't dried long enough.
The thin application is very important to the ease of use of UPP. If you can see the UPP, you have applied enough. As a guess, maybe 1 to 1.5 oz. to do an average vehicle.
You are going to love the look after the AIO and you will be like "Wow!", after the UPP

Charles
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This might sound like a dumb question, but I think a problem I have always had in the past using other waxes before I learned the world of detailing, was applying to much of a product.

Using a dry applicator, what is the best approach to apply a very thin layer cause it seems like you are not really applying enough. Maybe this is just from my previous experiences, but also trying to figure out how to only use 1 to 1.5 oz of UPP for the entire application.


CharlesW said:
4 Star UPP should be applied very thinly to the entire with a dry applicator, let it dry at least 15 minutes to an hour. It will wipe off effortlessly when it is time to remove it. The thin application is very important to the ease of use of UPP. If you can see the UPP, you have applied enough. As a guess, maybe 1 to 1.5 oz. to do an average vehicle.

Charles
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SmoothAsGlass said:
This might sound like a dumb question, but I think a problem I have always had in the past using other waxes before I learned the world of detailing, was applying to much of a product.

Using a dry applicator, what is the best approach to apply a very thin layer cause it seems like you are not really applying enough. Maybe this is just from my previous experiences, but also trying to figure out how to only use 1 to 1.5 oz of UPP for the entire application.
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I also tend to apply too much by hand, so now I apply ALL sealants/waxes by pc. You'll get a very even and very thin layer.

CLAY THE CAR!!!!
 
Actually it was the PC route I tended to apply too much product so thought I would try it by hand; just can't figure out how to only use 1 to 1.5 ounce of PPP.

tdekany said:
I also tend to apply too much by hand, so now I apply ALL sealants/waxes by pc. You'll get a very even and very thin layer.

CLAY THE CAR!!!!
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SmoothAsGlass said:
Actually it was the PC route I tended to apply too much product so thought I would try it by hand; just can't figure out how to only use 1 to 1.5 ounce of PPP.
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Just apply 3 small dots on the pc pad at speed 2 or so and it will be thin - guaranteed. No way that you'd use more than an ounce that way.
 
Just finished applying my second coating of UPP this evening and it is looking great. So still best to go with a 3rd application in another day or so and then maybe once a month or so? No need to apply a wax on top of it? Again, the color is silver.
 
Do you have any pictures we can see?

I'd apply at least one more. You don't really need to apply a wax over it. If you want to, you should use #16 or Natty's. m2c
 
Yeah, from what I have been hearing I am thinking of just going with a monthly application of UPP because if I understand it correctly, if I were to apply a wax over top of it, I could not apply UPP on top of that without first starting over with AIO, correct? Would applying a wax over top of the UPP though provide even great shine/reflection?

Here are some pics, the first one best shows the reflection parked in my garage and having the reflection of a silver Honda Accord parked next to it.

tdekany said:
Do you have any pictures we can see?

I'd apply at least one more. You don't really need to apply a wax over it. If you want to, you should use #16 or Natty's. m2c
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SmoothAsGlass said:
Yeah, from what I have been hearing I am thinking of just going with a monthly application of UPP because if I understand it correctly, if I were to apply a wax over top of it, I could not apply UPP on top of that without first starting over with AIO, correct?
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IMO, correct on all counts.

SmoothAsGlass said:
Would applying a wax over top of the UPP though provide even great shine/reflection?
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Again, IMO, not enough to be worth not being able to apply more UPP. I used S100 Carnauba over UPP for a while and went back to just the UPP. Others may not agree, though.
You could try topping one panel to see if you would prefer that look. You wouldn't have to do over anything but the "test" panel.:)

Charles
 
I have been getting mixed responses on whether to just keep applying UPP or going with a wax...it looks great for now so guess I will stick with UPP...GREAT PRODUCT!!
 
SmoothAsGlass said:
Yeah, from what I have been hearing I am thinking of just going with a monthly application of UPP because if I understand it correctly, if I were to apply a wax over top of it, I could not apply UPP on top of that without first starting over with AIO, correct? Would applying a wax over top of the UPP though provide even great shine/reflection?

Here are some pics, the first one best shows the reflection parked in my garage and having the reflection of a silver Honda Accord parked next to it.
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Why continue applying UPP monthly? Certainly with AIO followed by 2 applications of UPP you've got protection. Why not use the 4* QD or similar product rather than a full UPP application?

Klasse SG can certainly be layered and does seem to make a noticable difference in applying additional layers "up to a point". But for a daily driver, I'd consider stopping at 2-3 applications of UPP and either top with a sacrificial layer of wax or go the QD route to maintain the slickness.
 
laefd said:
But for a daily driver, I'd consider stopping at 2-3 applications of UPP and either top with a sacrificial layer of wax or go the QD route to maintain the slickness.
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An application of wax or another application of UPP seems to take about the same amount of effort. (Almost none) If you apply the wax, then you won't be able to apply more UPP without using a paint cleaner. Using the QD, (4 Star UGE), is almost a daily thing for me, anyway.
There is certainly nothing wrong with topping UPP or any sealant with wax. It just requires removal of that wax before more sealant can be applied properly.
It's also another product on the shelf.:)

Charles
 
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