Vinylex: safe to use often? (very strong cleaning power)

[ktlimq]

I tested three products on old dark green vinyl floor. All three products claim cleaning ability.



1. Meguiars Natural Shine

2. TurtleWax 2001 Super Protectant

3. Lexol Vinylex



I sprayed those products on vinyl floor and then wiped with circular motion with Bounty kitchen towel. The amount of stain on the areas on the old vinyl floor was approximately equal.



Meguiars Natural Shine and TurtleWax 2001 Super Protectant left very light gray stain on white kitchen towel.



Lexol Vinylex instantly made the white kitchen towel dark green. The difference was dramatic.



Then I sprayed Lexol Vinylex on the areas previously wiped with Meguiars Natural Shine and TurtleWax 2001 Super Protectant. Then I wiped those areas. Again, the white kitchen towel became soon dark green.





Then I sprayed Meguiars Extra on new area on the vinyl floor. It is not a vinyl protectant, but I just wanted to compare cleaning ability. Yeah, Mequiars Extra made the white kitchen towel dark green.



Then I wiped another new area on the vinyl floor with Armor All Cleaning Wipe. ArmorAll claims that it cleans vinyl without drying out or cracking vinyl.

The ArmorAll Cleaning Wipe became only light grayish green.

So Lexol Vinylex has more cleaing power than Armor All Cleaning Wipe!





Frequent use of a product with such high cleaning power may cause crack on vinyl, rubber or plastic?











I also sent email to three manufacturers. The question was whether the protectant strips away the wax on paint nearby plastic or rubber trim.



Meguiars and TurtleWax answered that their protectants have cleaning ability but do not strip wax away.

However, Lexol told me to apply Vinylex carefully, though it will not do harm on paint. - they did not answer directly whether the protectant strip wax away or not -.



I thought of doing wax stripping test myself, but I gave up, because I would not be able to tell whether the water beading is due to wax or due to vinyl protectant, after rubbing protectant on waxed paint surface.











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It would be interesting to do the same test on old dark green vinyl floor with 303 Aerospace Protectant. Howerver, I do not have it.

I searched 'where to buy' on 303 web site, and found there is one hardware store that has 303 in Rhode Island. I drove there, but 303 was not there. The workers in that hardware store did not know what 303 was.



By the way, 303 seems to make unscientific absurd claim. They claim that silicone product must not be used on tires. But Michelin probably makes tire dressing with silicone. I did not see MSDS of the Michelin tire dressing, but a product wich has [apply second coat to improve shie] kind of instruction contains silicone, according to 303.

http://www.petroferm.com/michelin/tc.htm



Acoording to 303, if tire manufacturers find silicone tire dressing, they void warranty.

". . . . contain petrochemicals and/or silicone oils which dissolve away the protective waxes . . . . In the event of warranty sidewall failure, one of the first things tire manufacturers look for is evidence of the use of these types of products. When found, this is often cause for not warranting the sidewall failure. " - 303

I asked about this to Lexol because Vinylex contains silicone oils. Lexol answered that they did not know any tire manufacturer that would void warranty because of use of Vinylex.



"it calls into question the credibility of that resource and any and all claims they make." - Meguiars (about silicone in paint care products)







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On Meguiars Natural Shine, it reads that it is for vinyl and rubber, while, on many other protectants it reads it is for vinyl, rubber and plastic.

I asked about this to Meguiars. The answer was that Meguiars Natural Shine protects plastic too as many other protectants.

 

[Bill D]

I'm a huge fan of 303 but for a good 9 years prior to using it I used Vinylex exclusively on all rubber and vinyl surfaces on my Caddy. Absolutely no negative consequences

 

[imported_The Uncle]

I've used Vinylex too. I perfer 303, for the matte finish. But, I like to use Vinylex on tires and outer trim, where a slight shine is nice. Vinylex is good stuff, IMO.

 

[truvette]

I like Vinylex too. It gives the car that "new smell", which people always comment on whenever I give them a ride.

 

[imported_Aurora40]

I'm a huge fan of 303 but for a good 9 years prior to using it I used Vinylex exclusively on all rubber and vinyl surfaces on my Caddy. Absolutely no negative consequences

I'm liking 303 more and more on interiors as I use it more. I wish it smelled a little more interiory, though. Anyway, what does 303 do that you didn't find Vinylex did? I'm just wondering because Vinylex is one of those products I think about trying. Thanks Bill.

 

[stevet]

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By the way, 303 seems to make unscientific absurd claim. They claim that silicone product must not be used on tires. But Michelin probably makes tire dressing with silicone. I did not see MSDS of the Michelin tire dressing, but a product wich has [apply second coat to improve shie] kind of instruction contains silicone, according to 303.

http://www.petroferm.com/michelin/tc.htm



Acoording to 303, if tire manufacturers find silicone tire dressing, they void warranty.

". . . . contain petrochemicals and/or silicone oils which dissolve away the protective waxes . . . . In the event of warranty sidewall failure, one of the first things tire manufacturers look for is evidence of the use of these types of products. When found, this is often cause for not warranting the sidewall failure. " - 303

I asked about this to Lexol because Vinylex contains silicone oils. Lexol answered that they did not know any tire manufacturer that would void warranty because of use of Vinylex.



"it calls into question the credibility of that resource and any and all claims they make." - Meguiars (about silicone in paint care products)

Why do you consider this to be absurd?





I have used both 303 and Vinylex and prefer 303 by far.



I find 303 is easier to apply and buff off. I like the look of 303 better. 303 lasts longer. Vinylex felt greasy to me even after buffing off. When I used Vinylex on my tires they got dirty very quickly. All I use now on all rubber,vinyl, plastic, and coated leather is 303.



I'm still using the same foam app to apply 303 to my tires for over a year now. When I used Vinylex it destroyed my foam app in about a month. Not sure what that means but I find it interesting.

 

[imported_mrb]

The vinylex gives a better finish on the dash than the 303.

I have been a big fan of 303 but the vinylex gives me more of the look I want. People are always touching the dash when I use the vinylex.



I have kind of given up on the 303 is does not have the same shine as the vinylex, Maybe it is not suppose to. I use the 303 on the door strips

 

[ktlimq]

mrb,



I have not used 303, but if it is not shiny, I would use 303 on the dash. I do not like the dash's reflected image on the windshield.



By the way, TurtleWax 2001 Super Protectant is shinier and oiler than Meguiars Natural Shine or Lexol Vinylex.

 

[stevet]

The vinylex gives a better finish on the dash than the 303.

I have been a big fan of 303 but the vinylex gives me more of the look I want. People are always touching the dash when I use the vinylex.



I have kind of given up on the 303 is does not have the same shine as the vinylex, Maybe it is not suppose to. I use the 303 on the door strips

That shine that you say you get with Vinylex is exactly what I didn't like. Many people don't like a shiny interior especially a dash.

 

[Bill D]

I'm liking 303 more and more on interiors as I use it more. I wish it smelled a little more interiory, though. Anyway, what does 303 do that you didn't find Vinylex did? I'm just wondering because Vinylex is one of those products I think about trying. Thanks Bill.

The most significant quality about 303 that made me change over is the superior UV protection claim. When I used Vinylex, it did shine up the interior vinyl more but for me not to a degree where it was too shiny. However, anything else that is shinier I would refuse to use.

 

[HotRodGuy]

which has better cleaning power?

 

[ktlimq]

I found a local truck dealer who had 303. So I did additional test on the same old dark green floor (this is not automobile floor - just a vinyl floor in house).



Meguiars Trim Detailer made the white paper towel very light gray.



303 Aerospace Protectant made the white paper towel light grayish green. It takes far less grime out than Lexol Vinylex, but somewhat more than Meguiars Natural Shine.



Vinylex's cleaning power is truly exceptional. It made four folded paper towel quickly dark up to the side that touches my hand.



Manufacturers of Meguiars Trim Detailer and 303 Aerospace Protectant told me that these products do not strip wax away from painted surface.

 

[togwt]

Originally posted by ktlimq

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By the way, 303 seems to make unscientific absurd claim. They claim that silicone product must not be used on tires. But Michelin probably makes tire dressing with silicone. I did not see MSDS of the Michelin tire dressing, but a product that has [apply second coat to improve shine] kind of instruction contains silicone, according to 303.

http://www.petroferm.com/michelin/tc.htm



Acoording to 303, if tire manufacturers find silicone tire dressing, they void warranty.

". . . . contain petrochemicals and/or silicone oils which dissolve away the protective waxes . . . . In the event of warranty sidewall failure, one of the first things tire manufacturers look for is evidence of the use of these types of products. When found, this is often cause for not warranting the sidewall failure. " - 303

I asked about this to Lexol because Vinylex contains silicone oils. Lexol answered that they did not know any tire manufacturer that would void warranty because of use of Vinylex.



"it calls into question the credibility of that resource and any and all claims they make." - Meguiars (about silicone in paint care products) EOQ





Not all silicone or petroleum distillates are bad. But like most misinformation there is some truth to it, but making a blanket statement that products that contain petroleum distillates are harmful shows a lack of any real knowledge of either science or petroleum refining, these irresponsible statements are just negative marketing



Bad-Hydrocarbon (petroleum) distillates when combined with formaldehyde (used as a cleaning agent) that are found in some tyre dressings act as a strong solvent and will dissolve rubber/polymer, resulting in discoloration, cracking that ultimately results in tyre failure.



Bad- Dimethyl (petroleum distillate) silicone oils remove the protective waxes (that help the tyre walls flex) that are found in some tyre dressings. These will accelerate the tyreâ€â„¢s aging process because they remove the manufacturers inbuilt protections. These oils penetrate the rubber/polymer encapsulating the carbon black and the waxes forcing them to the surface to where they are then washed away



Good- Water based dressings- (usually a milky-white liquid) does not contain silicone oils, petroleum distillates, waxes, or solvents that can harm rubber and / or vinyl over time. Most water-based dressings use a combination of natural oils and polymers to offer a non-greasy, satin finish. Most of these products also contain UV blocking agents to help keep tires from cracking, fading and hardening. Most, if not all water-based dressings are biodegradable (i.e. Zaino Z-16 Perfect Tire Glossâ„¢) whereas Silicone is not.



Bad- Silicone-based dressings- (usually a clear greasy liquid) contains petroleum distillates as a cleaning agent. The difference is in the carrier system used. Solvent based products use a hydrocarbon solvent to suspend the product. When you apply it, the solvent evaporates leaving the dressing's active ingredients (Silicone oil) behind; this type of silicone is also not biodegradable. (i.e. Eagle One® Tire Shine Spray & Gel)



JonM

 

[Pondscum]

By the way, 303 seems to make unscientific absurd claim. They claim that silicone product must not be used on tires. But Michelin probably makes tire dressing with silicone. I did not see MSDS of the Michelin tire dressing, but a product wich has [apply second coat to improve shie] kind of instruction contains silicone, according to 303.

http://www.petroferm.com/michelin/tc.htm



Acoording to 303, if tire manufacturers find silicone tire dressing, they void warranty.

". . . . contain petrochemicals and/or silicone oils which dissolve away the protective waxes . . . . In the event of warranty sidewall failure, one of the first things tire manufacturers look for is evidence of the use of these types of products. When found, this is often cause for not warranting the sidewall failure. " - 303

I asked about this to Lexol because Vinylex contains silicone oils. Lexol answered that they did not know any tire manufacturer that would void warranty because of use of Vinylex.

You have to understand when they say "silicone oil" they do not mean all silicone products. Dimethyl Silicone is an oil based silicone and is very nasty stuff for plastic and rubber because it breaks down the plastisizers in rubber and plastic. Many tire dressings still use Dimethyl Silicone. Better tire dressings and protectant products use PDMS which is a type of silicone, but it is a water based silicone and will not harm plastic or rubber.



Pretty much all protectants and tire dressings have cleaners built in to them. There is some evidence that harsh cleaners can do harm to plastic trim. Basically they can strip away the waxes that are incorporated into the plastic during production. Whether this applies to tires, I don't have any evidence of this, but I would assume so because tires have waxes that are added during production also.