Using the new formula M105

[imported_Detailing Technology]

I believe these products were introduced to lure the dedicated PC user into the correction game.



Longer working time is a benefit that will help the dedicated PC user clean up RIDS and swirls due to is slower speed.



Reading these forums, not just Autopia, wouldn't you say that 90 of the people who polish at home use a PC and are deathly afraid of a rotary?



I think these products hit the masses of hobbyists, not just a niche. Not every product is going to be directed towards the concours correction specialists.



Good R&D work on this one. The product is sold out just about everywhere.

 

[SuperBee364]

superbee-



Try M205 with the Meg's flat, standard issue 2.0 polishing pad. I know you like pads with zero bite, but the Meg's yellow is very safe but IME gives M205 some noteworthy bite.



I literally did a one step polish on my nearly 3 year old red Focus, (which has only ever had a single polish with M80, and that was a year ago) and I was literally able to 1-step it to perfection. Zero holograms, zero swirls. It has been a couple months and it still is perfect.



That was my first time using M205, too!

Oh man, that's great to hear... Was this with a rotary or PC? I need to know, cause I'm gonna do it on my car today! My car has zero swirls or marring in it (gotta love those touchless washes! ), so I really won't be able to test how well anything corrects, but since it's also highly polished, it'll be a great way to see how good I can get 205 and 151 to finish down. Unfortunately, the only Meg's pad I have is the black soft buff 2.0. I need to order some today. The standard 7" size is nice, but I wish they'd put out some soft buff 2.0's in smaller sizes for A pillars, etc. Are the regular Meg's pads (the non-2.0 ones) worth getting in smaller sizes, or should I wait for the soft buff 2.0's to come out in the smaller pads?

Thanks Supe for trying it out and posting your observations...we all learn in the process!

My pleasure, man. These are some very exciting products.

I believe these products were introduced to lure the dedicated PC user into the correction game.



Longer working time is a benefit that will help the dedicated PC user clean up RIDS and swirls due to is slower speed.



Reading these forums, not just Autopia, wouldn't you say that 90 of the people who polish at home use a PC and are deathly afraid of a rotary?



I think these products hit the masses of hobbyists, not just a niche. Not every product is going to be directed towards the concours correction specialists.



Good R&D work on this one. The product is sold out just about everywhere.

Yeah, I think you nailed it. These products allow the PC to go where it's never gone before.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

I believe these products were introduced to lure the dedicated PC user into the correction game.



I think these products hit the masses of hobbyists, not just a niche. Not every product is going to be directed towards the concours correction specialists.

Is that really a market? Are any of the Mirror Glaze products really targeted at hobbyists or "concours correction specialists"? I thought they were targeted at body shops and volume detailers...who are definitely not "afraid of a rotary". I think it's just a happy coincidence that enthusiasts (hobbyists and concours, who don't use much product relative to the bulk users) have embraced these products.



Autopia statistics show 56,612 members, but only 3,186 active ones. With active members who won't buy, lurkers who will, and other forums, what size market does that constitute? 5000? 10000? How many body shops are there in the country? Perhaps the internet has created enough of a market niche to target these new products at, but I'm sticking with my conclusion above. Besides, if you're right, why was the original 105 not labeled for PC?

 

[Accumulator]

SuperBee364- Lots of good info you've posted here :xyxthumbs

I generally use PFW whenever I can because it finishes so well. If PFW won't cut it, I'll step up to a yellow Edge wool...

Oddly enough, I've had cases where the PFW cut *more aggressively* than my yellow Edge wool Both via rotary (large pads) and PC (small ones). That was *not* with M105 but rather my older 3M stuff and 1Z Pasta Intensiv. :nixweiss



All this talk about the new M105 makes me glad I got the old stuff, and I'm almost tempted to find some more while I can, but I'm tired of stockpiling products...

.. Besides, if you're right, why was the original 105 not labeled for PC?

Well, you know how safe Meguiar's like to play it when it comes to consumer use of certain things. IIRC their official line is that you're not supposed to use the 7006 pad via PC.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Well, you know how safe Meguiar's like to play it when it comes to consumer use of certain things. IIRC their official line is that you're not supposed to use the 7006 pad via PC.

I guess that has something to do with that MB getting burned through...

 

[SuperBee364]

SuperBee364- Lots of good info you've posted here :xyxthumbs







Oddly enough, I've had cases where the PFW cut *more aggressively* than my yellow Edge wool Both via rotary (large pads) and PC (small ones). That was *not* with M105 but rather my older 3M stuff and 1Z Pasta Intensiv. :nixweiss



All this talk about the new M105 makes me glad I got the old stuff, and I'm almost tempted to find some more while I can, but I'm tired of stockpiling products...





Well, you know how safe Meguiar's like to play it when it comes to consumer use of certain things. IIRC their official line is that you're not supposed to use the 7006 pad via PC.

Me too. It seems like they kinda cross over each other... It seems like the yellow edge wool cuts harder on hard clear coats than PFW does, but PFW cuts harder than yellow wool on softer clears. On all clears, though, I can consistently get PFW to finish down much better than yellow Edge wool.



The one thing I've always disliked about PFW is the fact that they wear out so fast. I'd been treating my PFW's just like any other pad as far as washing and drying goes. Usually, I'd get maybe two complete cars worth of time out of each pad. Greg Nichols told me he gets much more wear out of them by just spurring them when you're done, letting them dry, then spurring the heck out of them again before you next use it. Pro: this is a great way to increase the life span of your PFW's. Con: You really need to keep track of what polish you use with each pad and make sure you keep that pad dedicated to that one polish. I was able to use one PFW for two cars doing this, and the pad is still cutting/finishing like it was brand new. The fibers are still nice and long, too. I'll bet I can get at least another three cars out of this pad.

 

[imported_Denzil]

Thanks for your sharing your observations Supe! I haven't tried the new M105 but eventually it's inevitable I suppose. It's a good thing I started with a gallon of the stuff, haha.



On another note, I agree with you in that I can get PFW to finish down better than any of the Edge wool pads although I really shouldn't expect them to finish down so nicely since they are wool pads after all. However, I do feel that the PFW pads fill the gap between wool and foam pads but PFW is just better overall when doing paint correction since it provides more bite than an orange foam pad and there is less risk to burning the paint.

 

[autoconcierge]

The new DA approved 105 worked great for me with a rotary, did not notice a significant reduction in the cutting power at all?, but I use Gi evp to prime the pad with all the compounds I utilize anyway.

 

[Accumulator]

I guess that [Meguiar's being ultra-conservative] has something to do with that MB getting burned through...

Now that you mention it, the timing does kinda support that idea :think: