Used Porsche or New M3?

The new Cayman is coming out...basically a Boxter Coupe.



Save up..I would just see if your employer offers a 401K and see if they match funds (free money!) if not, max out a Roth IRA for the year in a nice growth mutual fund.



$3,000 at 8% interest will be over $30,000 in 30 years, over $44,000 in 35 years..and over $65,000 in 40 years!
 
joyriiide1113 said:
Love it. I have never liked the boxster as I dont like convertables witht he top up. lol.. But I heard its still a dream to drive.



Boss stated to go Porsche as it would look good parked next to his Porsche GT3 in the garage at work. lol.



You are the first person to ever bring up to me that I should save up. But now that I look at it, I should. Where you referring to investing in stocks, bonds, property, ect?



What I have so far with my meager means is a stock portfolio on Scottrade, which is my high-risk investment, and am saving up to start a Roth IRA with Vanguard's Target Retirement 2050 fund....this fund plans on you retiring around the year 2050 and Vanguard slowly works your investment from 95% stocks/5% bonds to 95% bonds/5% stocks by the time you retire.



I also suggest "The Intelligent Investor" by Graham for good(but heavy) reading. He was, after all, Warren Buffet's mentor.
 
Well our office already offers me a retirement program, but also has many others available upon request.





Basically I was thinking something along the lines of stocks or properties. I am taking all this with a grain of salt, as I really can't see myself doing anything other than putting a few hundred bucks in my savings every month.



Do u guys really think its neccesary this early?



Should I get life insurance too? lol j/k



Boss actually has that book or one that sounds like it in the lunchroom so I'll borrow it for the weekend and read it. Thanks for the suggestion man.
 
joyriiide1113 said:
I graduated at 17 concluding many AP classes. Got my Paralegal degree in only two years (last March). Still going to school. Parents are both lawyers, which have gotten me into the doors of one of the biggest law firms (ex partners) here in Miami. Pays very well, but do not get me wrong, work is also strenuous. I go to school most of the time I am not working. My X5 is the first car I have paid everything for from beginning to end. Including insurance.

So why not buy BOTH? :think2
 
The thought of being able to retire comfortably is a great incentive..especially since I'm not coutning on Social Security being around. I feel sorry for the elderly having to work at McDonalds because they're running out of money. I don't want to be that person!



Realizing that a few dollars now will mean alot more dollars in the future is pretty motivating to me...



But definitely enjoy life now..there's always a happy medium..just make sure you're going to be able to enjoy life 20, 30, 50, and maybe 90 years down the road
 
Back on topic...





I have been in both the E46 M3 and 997 Porsches. IMO, I would take a Porsche with all else being equal.



Judging by your taste and purchase increments, a 997 S would be a nice step up. I almost feel as though an M3 would be about equal...I'm looking at it as the 4.8is is the crem de la crop for the 'X5' and the M3 of the 3-series.



Further, I just find it a more raw experience, the lines are sexier, and at the end of the day, it's still semi practical.



I'm waiting for Audion19s to chime in. He has a 996 Carrera and an E46 M3.
 
joyriiide1113- At the risk of sounding like a pedantic jerk, I hope that you have some serous driving-school time before you get either of those cars. Voice of experience here- cars with that level of performance are serious business if you have fun with them, and you *will* end up having some ill-advised fun no matter how responsible you think you are ;)
 
Accumulator said:
joyriiide1113- At the risk of sounding like a pedantic jerk, I hope that you have some serous driving-school time before you get either of those cars. Voice of experience here- cars with that level of performance are serious business if you have fun with them, and you *will* end up having some ill-advised fun no matter how responsible you think you are ;)





I KNOW I AM ASKING FOR A BONFIRE FLAME, BUT....



I haven't really taken any classes. I obviously have a drivers license, and my parents made me take safety lessons @ a track, but as for driving, I've never had much experience, outside of normal street and highway. I do plan on taking some courses this holiday season though, and this potential purchase would still be a long time from that.
 
joyriiide1113 said:
I KNOW I AM ASKING FOR A BONFIRE FLAME, BUT....



I haven't really taken any classes. I obviously have a drivers license, and my parents made me take safety lessons @ a track, but as for driving, I've never had much experience, outside of normal street and highway. I do plan on taking some courses this holiday season though, and this potential purchase would still be a long time from that.

I won't flame you, that's not a bad answer. I've received advanced driver training as a professional test driver for two car manufacturers and have done SCCA autocross racing, but I'd still consider advanced training such as a Skip Barber school to be very appropriate before taking on the responsibility of a car with that level of performance. Many, many Porsches and other high-power, rear-wheel drive cars have been crashed backwards.
 
Yeah, that's a perfectly reasonable answer.



[Accumulator climbs up onto soapbox..]



Courses such as Skip Barber, Bondurant, and others have taught me more than I ever *dreamed* there was to know about vehicle control, and I already knew how to heel-and-toe, throttle-steer, etc. I've avoided/minimized countless potentially serious (or even fatal) incidents thanks to my training; it's literally saved my life (e.g., the '03 deer incident in the S8).



Don't wait until after you have a sobering experience or two (I bent a Porsche and my wife bent a Benz), get the training first. If nothing else it's cheaper in the long run.



[Accumulator climbs down off soapbox...]
 
All things being equal, and considering your age, here is what I did at your age.



Plan for 5 years: so when you are about 25ish or so.

First, save for a house (sizable down payment, this number will be different for everyone, arguements sake, use 25 - 75K) - not sure if you have this or not yet?

Second, what ever car you decide to purchase, save at least 25% of the purchase price (keep in my the insurance and have 2 years worth ready to go) - but try for 50% - then purchase the car via loan. Now, if something stupid happens, you can pay a large portion down immediately.(invest in something that you can get to relatively quickly, with little or no cost to you)

Third, Porsche all the way.
 
I would seriously take Accumulator's recomendation because it will definately save your life when some a**hole in a 5000 lb SUV decides decides to cut you off midturn on a banked section of the highway and then slams on his brakes. When you drive a small, high performance car, every idiot on the road has something to prove against you, and they will continuosly cut you off, ride your ***, try to race you, etc. I know this can happen in any car, but experience has shown me that it happens at least 3 times as much if you are driving a high performance car, when you are driving a big SUV or a truck, it happens a lot less often.
 
M3..



Why spend that much for a car if its risky to take it beyod your driveway.. Practicallity has to come in somewhere. And a brand new M3 is well, a brand new M3 :spot
 
A car is a depreciating asset. Are you buying these cars cash or paying out huge monthly payments in car loans?



The last thing you want to do is get stuck with a car. If you don't put enough down and it depreciates faster than you are paying it off, you might be stuck with it for a while, as your sale $$$ won't cover your loan.



It is never too early to start securing your future, and I think a lot of us wish that we started sooner. Remember with money and compounding interest it is a time game. The more you save in your 20's the better off you'll be even if you save twice as much in your 40's.



If you can afford it, I would buy some property, even a one bedroom condo, in which the payments might be equal to say paying rent and getting your own place. At your age, even entertain a two bedroom place, and have a friend move in and pay you rent. In a few yrs, the appreciation will allow you to buy a house.



If you are stll content living at home. I would go on a budget plan where you pay yourself first. Max out your 401K, put a decent chunk each month in savings, and then the rest, well, since you already saved, don't feel bad spending it on things you like.....like a car for instance. If there is enough left over, I say go for it. You already are paying yourself first, and not going broke buying these cars........and down the road you might not be able to afford these cars, so do it now while you can, but do it smart!



Hope this helps
 
DETAILKING said:
If you can afford it, I would buy some property, even a one bedroom condo, in which the payments might be equal to say paying rent and getting your own place. At your age, even entertain a two bedroom place, and have a friend move in and pay you rent. In a few yrs, the appreciation will allow you to buy a house.



I was totally with you until you got into real estate. That Ponzi scheme is coming to a quick and ugly conclusion, and anyone buying in the next few years is doing so at extreme risk exposure.
 
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