Ultima 6 Month Update

The US and the Soviets had a car race. The American press reported the US car won, the soviet press reported their car came in second and the American car was second to last. It's all in the perspective! :chuckle:
 
6/4=1.5 months per coat. If 4 coats last a year that's only 3 months-decent durability.
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what???



Please explain.



Whose to say that 1 coat will only last 1.5 months? I dont think this whole LSP thing is as simple as dividing the number of months by coats. I wish it was that simple.



I havent let 1 coat go for 6 months so Im not going to say it will last that long but 1 coat has lasted me far past 1.5 months.



So I guess when people put 10 coats of z2 and it lasts 6 months 1 coat is really only lasting a few weeks right?
 
xfire said:
Bringing back an old thread...curious question:



What is interesting about the opening post is the fact that it states that the vehicle was washed only 3 times within the course of 6 months. It certainly looks like the protection has lasted those 6 months. Would I be crazy to say the following, or has anybody thought about this????:



When wax/sealant is subject to a layer of dirt on top (like in this case where the vehicle was not washed for extended periods of time), the wax/sealant will stay on the surface longer???



I've certainly noticed that even with a recent coat of "high beading wax," when a vehicle is covered with a layer of dirt from everyday driving the surface will not bead as well as if the surface was dirt-free and introduced to water.



With this in mind it seems like the layer of dirt is preventing the wax/sealant from coming off the surface. Hence, longer durability. Thoughts???
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I have coated 3 layers of UPGP over 3 weeks period and it still beads very well after 6 months which is subjected to weekly washes with UPGW. During this period of time, i believe i have QD with UDSP twice after a wash to bring back some slickness and shine.



To your question, if the vehicle has been through downpour within the testing period, the rain would have kind of wash away the layer of wax/sealant applied therefore, sort of affect the durability isn't it?
 
Dsoto87 said:
what???



Please explain.



Whose to say that 1 coat will only last 1.5 months? I dont think this whole LSP thing is as simple as dividing the number of months by coats. I wish it was that simple.



I havent let 1 coat go for 6 months so Im not going to say it will last that long but 1 coat has lasted me far past 1.5 months.



So I guess when people put 10 coats of z2 and it lasts 6 months 1 coat is really only lasting a few weeks right?
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Makes me think of some fuel magnet claim that by adding one piece it would improve fuel economy by 3% and hp by 1%. If adopting a simple theory, i would gain 30% fuel economy and 10% hp increase by simply adding 10 pieces of magnet in my car! That would be so much affordable to other higher cost of engine modification option! :dance
 
UPGP



I have yet to locate a product that is easier and quicker to apply, looks as nice, or is as durable considering the ease of application. Also a little bit goes a very long way. It is thus reasonably economical.



Finally, I do not do this as a full time profession.



Therefore the people that do come to me for help and or work often support themselves afterwards or in between major help from me.



UPGP is a great solution for them. They love it. No back breaking time consuming upkeep? Wow! They actually keep a coat of LSP on their vehicles without the use of a cattle prod. LOL



The fallout?

These folks vehicles stay much nicer much longer because they take a bit more care of them. They run them through a wash, maybe vacuum them out, get them home run a quick 5 to 10 minute coat of UPGP on them and they are good to go. Something they would never have done before. Everybody wins!! Happy friends, neighbors, coworkers and so on. Happy me too.







Thoughts on the original post…



SO is my experiment a model of scientific excellence? Um no. I added this post to throw out my observations. I know they are only basic observations.



Going from memory I had run it through three automated washes (give or take). Not brushless and wash only. I do not request their zero spot rinse or wax.



I do not attempt to wash my vehicles by hand in the colder PA months. Heck with that noise. I hate freezing my bones washing my car in the garage, even with something speedy like ONR.



Does the salt, dirt, and other miscellaneous crap buildup help protect a LSP? Holy cow, I dunno. I don't even care to guess. I am sure valid arguments can be made for either yes or no.



That said I have been using UPGP on plenty of vehicles. Some properly prepped, some not so much. The results are always pretty good and when the vehicle is really prepped well, the durability is just great.





UPGP is durable, it looks good, feels nice, is easy to apply, and a bottle lasts and lasts.



Plenty of other LSPs are at least as durable. Lots of products compete on every front. I enjoy folks posting their experiences. I enjoy posting my experiences. It makes a fun forum with lots of input. Also I will be the first to admit that some LPSs look better than others on different colors, paints, preps, and so on. My reviews and comments are meant to be a helpful as possible. I try not to slam any product whether I personally like it or do not.



Keep it fun folks!

:up
 
I can't seems to get that even 1 month in my country weather. I applied 3 layers of UPGP within a day. I find it starts to loose it beading after 2 washes. Does humidity affect? I'm talking about 75 to 90% RH
 
ls Ultima good at protecting against bird bombs like a carnauba wax. It appears to me that carnauba does protect better against bird bombs than a sealant. What do you guys think?
 
Rock said:
I can't seems to get that even 1 month in my country weather. I applied 3 layers of UPGP within a day. I find it starts to loose it beading after 2 washes. Does humidity affect? I'm talking about 75 to 90% RH
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Three layers in one day, that's your problem, don't you read the instructions?
 
Rock said:
This is recommended by the seller here.:nono
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UPGP required 12-24hrs of curing time. I'm getting very good result even in high humidity climate.



Where are you based anyway?
 
nicknick said:
ls Ultima good at protecting against bird bombs like a carnauba wax. It appears to me that carnauba does protect better against bird bombs than a sealant. What do you guys think?
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In my opinion, it is not an apple to apple comparison, because both product is different in propertise. Furthermore, there will be too many factors that are influencing the result of the comparison.



If the test is about one layer of wax against one layer of sealant, most likely wax has the advantage since it has a thicker layer on the paint.



From my experience, UPGP does a decent job in protection against bird bomb. However, it should not be taken for granted that it will protect against all type of bird bombs because every bomb is different in its level of nature chemical, how long it has been staying on the surface etc (this apply to wax as well).



I think the real deal between choosing sealant or wax for specific purpose will depend on the ease of application. I would not go back to waxing after using UPGP for a simple reason - UPGP is so easy and effortless to use compare to apply and buffing wax. It's a breeze to do that with UPGP and geting the protection, durability and looks. To me it is like climbing stairs to reach the top floor vs taking lift. Which one would you choose? To climb the stairs so that you can keep fit or reach the top without breaking a sweat?



To me, the choice is clear :buffing:
 
dcrc said:
UPGP is so easy and effortless to use compare to apply and buffing wax. It's a breeze to do that with UPGP and geting the protection, durability and looks. To me it is like climbing stairs to reach the top floor vs taking lift. Which one would you choose? To climb the stairs so that you can keep fit or reach the top without breaking a sweat?
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Hehe very true ! :cool:
 
I haven't seen the original thread, and I only skimmed through part of this thread, but did you use any touch-up spray wax or hydrophobic QD spray after your washes?



Because I know how hard it would be for any detailing enthusiast to truly suffer through a test like this, where all they do is give the car a handful of washes throughout 6months' time. What I can picture more easily, is initially applying multiple coats for a few days @ the start of the test, then continuing for 6 months not waxing, BUT yes, using a booster QD/booster spray wax... which right there pretty makes the whole test null in my mind.



Could you clarify for me exactly what the test was? Thanks! If the car really wasn't touched for 6months aside from washing with a protectionless wash liquid, that's amazing! :2thumbs:
 
Dsoto87 said:
what???



Please explain.



Whose to say that 1 coat will only last 1.5 months? I dont think this whole LSP thing is as simple as dividing the number of months by coats. I wish it was that simple.



I havent let 1 coat go for 6 months so Im not going to say it will last that long but 1 coat has lasted me far past 1.5 months.



So I guess when people put 10 coats of z2 and it lasts 6 months 1 coat is really only lasting a few weeks right?
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When Ultima was released it was touted for it's layering. 3 applications would be thicker than just one. I've yet to read a thorough review and test of Ultima with regular washings that put a single layer at more than 3 months-decent for sure but not record shattering by any means.
 
dcrc said:
UPGP required 12-24hrs of curing time. I'm getting very good result even in high humidity climate.



Where are you based anyway?
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This is the weakness of most sealants. The long cure time can be affected by either rain, dew or humidity. IMO the sealants that cure the fastest tend to be the most consistant in regards to durability.
 
wannafbody said:
This is the weakness of most sealants. The long cure time can be affected by either rain, dew or humidity. IMO the sealants that cure the fastest tend to be the most consistant in regards to durability.
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I could be wrong, for a fast curing sealant the shelf-life would be short isn't it?
 
wannafbody said:
Nope, Zaino uses a seperate cure accelerator and has a 3+ year shelf life.
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What is the curing time stated by the manufacturer?



My intention is directing at a One-ready-to-use product that has faster curing time.



In this case, zaino is two seperate products instead of one. In order to have faster curing time, i have to fork out on another product. Furthermore, i have to mix them together in order to achieve the objective. Well, that to me wasn't very efficient and easy.
 
I use UPGP when I need a quick applying sealant and can wait the 12-24 between applications. When I want to layer quickly, I'll use Danase Sealant. Instant cure time (which is unusual for a sealant) and I can throw a couple of layers on quickly. Both look great but UPGP gives a glossier candy-like appearance on the metallic silver. Really makes it pop.
 
dcrc said:
What is the curing time stated by the manufacturer?



My intention is directing at a One-ready-to-use product that has faster curing time.



In this case, zaino is two seperate products instead of one. In order to have faster curing time, i have to fork out on another product. Furthermore, i have to mix them together in order to achieve the objective. Well, that to me wasn't very efficient and easy.
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Zaino claims a 15 minute cure time for Z2P/Z5P with ZFX. From what I've read CS has about an hour cure time.
 
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