UDM and PC users

Jakerooni said:
I personally don't like seeing people getting ripped off without knowing it. And I think the clever way the PC/UDM is marketed is doing exactly that. By keeping the simple education of a better option at bay and pushing something that works.... but at a much higher price. Again.. just my $.02



I am sure there are a lot of people here that have gotten more than their money's worth from their PC. I've been using mine for about two years now and by no means feel ripped off. There is no way I could have done the correction I've dome on MY cars without it. Unfortunately, I do not have the time or resources (practice vehicles or panels) to learn on a rotary without causing damage. In a seting like this a PC is perfect.



On the other hand, I would LOVE to learn how to use a rotary properly since I am sure that used correctly it is more efficient. I have been close to getting one a couple of times. However, being an enthusiast, I cant justify the rotary right now. I just would not need to use it often, if at all. But, like you said, if I had the skills on the rotary, I probably would not use the PC much. I think both machines have their niche.
 
David Fermani said:
For me, seeing (with my own 2 eyes, not pictures on a web-site) is believing as far as non rotary correction goes. I've only had the chance to witness 2 "pro detailers" attempt to fully correct a finish with a PC, but unfortunatly they were unsuccessful. If any PCer's do total correction down here in South Florida PM me. I'd love to watch.

David, while agree with you that photos are an imperfect way of accurately showing a paints finish (especially when comparing LSP :faint:), what do believe you're seeing in the 'before and after' shots of some of the members here? Just curious as to what goes through you're mind when you see them. :up
 
Alfisti said:
David, while agree with you that photos are an imperfect way of accurately showing a paints finish (especially when comparing LSP :faint:), what do believe you're seeing in the 'before and after' shots of some of the members here? Just curious as to what goes through you're mind when you see them. :up





It's not about what your seeing, but what you're not seeing. Pictures posted don't show the true finish. When I observe a vehicle and it's finish in person, I look from all angles to see how the light magnifies imperfections. I look at paint all day long and my eyes are trained to look deep into the finish, beyond just the shine. One could take before and after pictures of a neglected finish with just a simple LSP (no concentrated correction) and the shots could show the car as looking super wet, deep and shiny with the right angle and light. Interiors and engines are just as difficult to truely photo also. If you look at the pictures I took (interior & engine) of the Black Supra I posted in the Click & Brags, you'd say they look almost perfect. In fact, they were far from it. I didn't even wash the engine and just vaccumed the interior, but it photo'd great. Sorry if this offends some, but I'd be willing to bet that some of the *pro* detailers who post pics are much better picture takers than detailers. :ignore
 
David Fermani said:
It's not about what your seeing, but what you're not seeing. Pictures posted don't show the true finish. When I observe a vehicle and it's finish in person, I look from all angles to see how the light magnifies imperfections. I look at paint all day long and my eyes are trained to look deep into the finish, beyond just the shine. One could take before and after pictures of a neglected finish with just a simple LSP (no concentrated correction) and the shots could show the car as looking super wet, deep and shiny with the right angle and light. Interiors and engines are just as difficult to truely photo also. If you look at the pictures I took (interior & engine) of the Black Supra I posted in the Click & Brags, you'd say they look almost perfect. In fact, they were far from it. I didn't even wash the engine and just vaccumed the interior, but it photo'd great. Sorry if this offends some, but I'd be willing to bet that some of the *pro* detailers who post pics are much better picture takers than detailers. :ignore





I agree, thats why in my C&B threads i always make the comment that the finish isnt perfect by any means, just majorly improved.



Most of us do our best to get the true look of the finish by using sunlight, xenon, incondescent, halogen ect ect. We ussually get it to the point where the camera cant pick up the true finish. Thats why most of us like to see afters in some kind of light becuase online thats as close as we will get to seeing what the finish really looks like.
 
i can usually see a difference in a pic where the car was finished with a rotary over one with a pc.



The rotary seems to leave a more liquid look, especially on black and red.



but today is 94 with like 80% humidity, i aint usin nothin haha.
 
I personally would be very leery of using a rotary. I have one and I use it once a year on my camper, and thats it. 35 years ago while in high school I used to polish cars on weekends in a collision shop with a rotary buffer and I remember the trails and holograms left behind. The customer never really noticed as they tended to be ecstatic at first glimpse of their reconstructed and resurrected car. :D It takes a seasoned professional to safely utilize a rotary and achieve stellar results. I'll go the safer and slower route with a PC :waxing: as I'm certainly no pro.
 
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