TW ICE Liquid Polish

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billyharless

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I have been using the TW Ice Polish on my black Solstice. It really makes it shine like glass but requires lots and lots of elbow grease. I was thinking if I got an electric polisher it would be much faster and easier but have never used a buffer or polisher.



Any recommendations?
 
Well depending on what kind of machine you get, yeah it could make it go faster. If you picked up a rotary or PC, you would need some finishing pads.



Lots of elbow grease? I don't think this product is really an actual polish (they have it in liquid and paste form on the site, and there is no mention of a wax in the ICE lineup), I think they just call it that. In that case, thin layers with a foam applicator, you shouldn't have to work this product into the paint at all.
 
99blackSE said:
Well depending on what kind of machine you get, yeah it could make it go faster. If you picked up a rotary or PC, you would need some finishing pads.



Lots of elbow grease? I don't think this product is really an actual polish (they have it in liquid and paste form on the site, and there is no mention of a wax in the ICE lineup), I think they just call it that. In that case, thin layers with a foam applicator, you shouldn't have to work this product into the paint at all.
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Ice Polish is definetly not a wax. It is a polish. Works great but requires a lot of rubbing.



I used the TW Liquid Claybar, then the Meguires Gold Class wax then finish up with a couple of coats of TW Polish. The car looks like glass after all that. Thinking a electric polisher would benefit my process but not sure what type or brand to get.
 
billyharless said:
Ice Polish is definetly not a wax. It is a polish. Works great but requires a lot of rubbing.



I used the TW Liquid Claybar, then the Meguires Gold Class wax then finish up with a couple of coats of TW Polish. The car looks like glass after all that. Thinking a electric polisher would benefit my process but not sure what type or brand to get.
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Hmm I was just suprised since they have the same product in paste form too. Unless the liquid is a form of AIO/glaze, regardless however.



Well Porter Cable's 7424 or the 7336(?) or David B's Ultimate Detailing Machine are random orbital buffers, and there are rotarys made by Makita, DeWalt, Hitachi, etc. If you are new I would suggest picking up an RO buffer.
 
billyharless said:
Ice Polish is definetly not a wax. It is a polish. Works great but requires a lot of rubbing.



I used the TW Liquid Claybar, then the Meguires Gold Class wax then finish up with a couple of coats of TW Polish. The car looks like glass after all that. Thinking a electric polisher would benefit my process but not sure what type or brand to get.
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If it's a true polish then why would you use it on top of your megs gold class?
 
billyharless said:
Ice Polish is definetly not a wax. It is a polish. Works great but requires a lot of rubbing.
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The terms 'wax' and 'polish' are overused and have probably lost their meaning here. I use it as an LSP and it requires very little work - wipe on, wait 5 min wipe off. If you are doing lots of work you are either applying too much product, waiting too long, or getting a bad interaction with the other products you're using.



The shine is great but doesn't seem to last for me so I use it on trim (it cleans off the white residue well) and tires.



RG
 
billyharless said:
Ice Polish is definetly not a wax. It is a polish. Works great but requires a lot of rubbing.



I used the TW Liquid Claybar, then the Meguires Gold Class wax then finish up with a couple of coats of TW Polish. The car looks like glass after all that. Thinking a electric polisher would benefit my process but not sure what type or brand to get.
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Its a wax, or the better term would be sealant.



Your doing something very very very wrong.
 
Coupe said:
Its a wax, or the better term would be sealant.



Your doing something very very very wrong.
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The email I received from TW states that is is not a wax and should be used as a polish and they recommend using another wax product for protectant.



Trust me, this stuff does make the car shine more even after a coat of Meguires Gold Class.



Picked up a RO polisher from Advanced Auto today. Gonna give that a try tonight when it cools off.
 
It's having trouble bonding to your Gold Class. When ICE is used as an LSP, it goes on quickly and wipes off even quicker than that. The whole point of the ICE line is to cut down on time and provide an easy means of car maintenance for everyone. It's not meant to be topper for a wax since that's really a technique used by people going beyond what ICE is meant for.



ICE polish, imo, is a really good OTC product. Durability sucks but shine is bright and application is easy and it's meant to be used on paint, as well as trim. Now that I'm using boutique stuff, ICE has become my sole trim protectant.
 
phamkl said:
It's having trouble bonding to your Gold Class. When ICE is used as an LSP, it goes on quickly and wipes off even quicker than that. The whole point of the ICE line is to cut down on time and provide an easy means of car maintenance for everyone. It's not meant to be topper for a wax since that's really a technique used by people going beyond what ICE is meant for.



ICE polish, imo, is a really good OTC product. Durability sucks but shine is bright and application is easy and it's meant to be used on paint, as well as trim. Now that I'm using boutique stuff, ICE has become my sole trim protectant.
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Now that makes more sense than anything else I have heard.



What would be a good topper for wax?
 
Sounds like a wax, albeit a very weak one when it comes to durability. Here's a description:

"Finally, a clear wax you can use in direct sunlight! Turtle Wax Ice Liquid Polish features an innovative new technology that blends silicone and organic polymers to provide extraordinary shine and durability to your car's finish. Water clear formula can also be applied to all exterior rubber, plastic and vinyl trim to restore color and shine without leaving white residue."



I really don't believe it's a polish. A polish, if you've read on these forums, almost always needs to be worked in for 2-5 minutes per panel to remove swirls and such. The description says nothing about removing swirl marks or cleaning the surface. It says it provides shine and durability (which we've seen is not the case). On the directions, does it say "work product for 2-5 minutes using a rotary or a random orbital"? I don't believe it will.



For OTC products, I'd probably move to another lineup. If you're looking for OTC, I'd recommend Duragloss products (105 and Aquawax). That is an OTC product that provides amazing looks and very durable protection (4-5 months at least).



If you are looking for a real polish, look into Optimum, Menzerna, Poorboys, Meguiars, etc.



edit: One more thing--you mentioned that ICE was hard to remove. From what I've heard, it should be quite easy to remove. Try applying thinner coats of wax, thin to the point where it's barely visible, and is only visible at certain angles with the sun shining. That will give you a thin layer that can be removed easily. Good luck!
 
To top a wax? Aquawax, Clear Seal, and Opti Seal I think? Generally, the wax is the topper. Sealants generally don't bond to waxes so what you wipe off is close to all of what you applied. I'll tell you what though; I'm pretty sure that there is a noticeable amount of ICE left over because I once tried to top Mother's with ICE and it did appear more shiny than what I was used to with Mother's. However, I think the three sealants I mentioned above are usable atop a wax. But like I said, generally, you use wax as the topper. I don't know but Gold Class might be a bit of a cleaner? If it is, it'll eat ICE alive, but if not, you could top ICE with a wax.



TW's ICE Polish is as much a polish as DG 105. I would take 105 over ICE anyday but I already have some ICE and I like it for what it is.
 
mikebai1990 said:
Sounds like a wax, albeit a very weak one when it comes to durability. Here's a description:

"Finally, a clear wax you can use in direct sunlight! Turtle Wax Ice Liquid Polish features an innovative new technology that blends silicone and organic polymers to provide extraordinary shine and durability to your car's finish. Water clear formula can also be applied to all exterior rubber, plastic and vinyl trim to restore color and shine without leaving white residue."



I really don't believe it's a polish. A polish, if you've read on these forums, almost always needs to be worked in for 2-5 minutes per panel to remove swirls and such. The description says nothing about removing swirl marks or cleaning the surface. It says it provides shine and durability (which we've seen is not the case). On the directions, does it say "work product for 2-5 minutes using a rotary or a random orbital"? I don't believe it will.



For OTC products, I'd probably move to another lineup. If you're looking for OTC, I'd recommend Duragloss products (105 and Aquawax). That is an OTC product that provides amazing looks and very durable protection (4-5 months at least).



If you are looking for a real polish, look into Optimum, Menzerna, Poorboys, Meguiars, etc.



edit: One more thing--you mentioned that ICE was hard to remove. From what I've heard, it should be quite easy to remove. Try applying thinner coats of wax, thin to the point where it's barely visible, and is only visible at certain angles with the sun shining. That will give you a thin layer that can be removed easily. Good luck!
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it might be a wax but TW emailed me telling me it was a polish. It does work better when I work it in for 2-3 minutes but it is a lot of work.



I might check out the Duragloss products you mentioned. Thanks.
 
phamkl said:
To top a wax? Aquawax, Clear Seal, and Opti Seal I think? Generally, the wax is the topper. Sealants generally don't bond to waxes so what you wipe off is close to all of what you applied. I'll tell you what though; I'm pretty sure that there is a noticeable amount of ICE left over because I once tried to top Mother's with ICE and it did appear more shiny than what I was used to with Mother's. However, I think the three sealants I mentioned above are usable atop a wax. But like I said, generally, you use wax as the topper. I don't know but Gold Class might be a bit of a cleaner? If it is, it'll eat ICE alive, but if not, you could top ICE with a wax.



TW's ICE Polish is as much a polish as DG 105. I would take 105 over ICE anyday but I already have some ICE and I like it for what it is.
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Gold Class must have some cleaner in it. Last night I experimented and after the ICE was not working without lots of rubbing I tried another coat of Gold Class on top of the ICE that had not worked in yet. The car started to shine again with the Gold Class. My guess is the Gold Class cleaned off the ICE???
 
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