Turtle Wax Ice Paste and Collinite #476

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I've been using the turtle wax ice paste version for the last couple of weeks. I reapplied it just to build up the layer. It's rained several times and I get good beading. Before the first application, I clay barred the finish. I've had a couple of people comment on how shiny it was. Does this product attract/hold onto dust, or am I just noticing it more due to the shine?



So, anyways, the reason I'm posting is, there seems to be a lot of hate on this board about TW Ice, but I'm not really understanding the reason why. Is the liquid polish, which most of the hate seems to be geared towards a lot worse then the paste? Now granted, this is the first time I have waxed my car personally, so as a newbie, I might not understand the difference between a good wax and crappy products. But it was easy to use and I like the results. The biggest complaint I'm reading is, the longevity seems to be lacking. Pooking around the internet, I have read that some people are using Ice for it's shine, but then waiting a couple of days for curing and applying Collinite Super DoubleCoat Auto Wax #476 for 9 months worth of protection. Is this a good strategy?
 
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Remember, you're dealing with a product that contains oils. Oil can and will attract dust.



TW is obviously a very large, established and successful company, but gets little mention here because Autopians are gear towards more boutique/less mainstream product lines. We believe in concentrating our efforts on making your paint finish as nice as possible before the use of wax/selants. TW's philosophy is all about the wax. That's an easy concept to grasp at the consumer level and 99% of people buy into it. If you polish your paint properly, any wax will look good at that point. Remember, anytime you apply a wax/sealant and it improves the appearance, those impovements are very short lived. If you polish your paint properly, it will never look any different until marring is re-installed.
 
That is a much more respectful answer then I was expecting. Thanks for that. I thought I'd be told what an *** I was.



I did clay bar the vehicle before waxing as I had some swirl marks and the paint felt rough.



I went with the TW Ice paste based on a consumer reports recommendation, and although I am happy with the results (except the sticking dust issue), I decided to poke around a bit on the internet to see what others thought. Other sites were generally receptive, but then I came across this one, which definitely wasn't setup as a TW cheerleader site.



Still, now that I'm where I am, what should I do next? Is the applying Collinite Super DoubleCoat Auto Wax #476 for 9 months worth of protection over top the Ice Paste a good strategy (or even possible - Ice seems pretty slick)? I'm not a pro, so I am truly willing to listen to knowledgeable advise (please restrict the emotional feelings advise).
 
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That is a much more respectful answer then I was expecting. Thanks for that. I thought I'd be told what an *** I was.



I did clay bar the vehicle before waxing as I had some swirl marks and the paint felt rough.



I went with the TW Ice paste based on a consumer reports recommendation, and although I am happy with the results (except the sticking dust issue), I decided to poke around a bit on the internet to see what others thought. Other sites were generally receptive, but then I came across this one, which definitely wasn't setup as a TW cheerleader site.



Still, now that I'm where I am, what should I do next? Is the applying Collinite Super DoubleCoat Auto Wax #476 for 9 months worth of protection over top the Ice Paste a good strategy (or even possible - Ice seems pretty slick)? I'm not a pro, so I am truly willing to listen to knowledgeable advise (please restrict the emotional feelings advise).
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Consumers reports will typically review the waxes and sealants readily available to the public over the counter. Menzerna, Collinite, Chemical Guys, PBW, Wolfgang, other PBMA products, etc will not be in those reviews for that reason. And you won't find many TW fans on this site, as David said, because the professionals use, more or less, professional lines of products.



Even waxes and sealants that feel super slick, may not be protecting the paint as well as you think, nor last as long. I know I've had this happen with my own waxes. Some are noticeably slicker than others, but some of those waxes that aren't as slick protect better and longer. I doubt you will get 9 months out of any wax, unless you garage your vehicle and live in ideal environmental conditions. However, a wax like 476 will be in the longer lasting category of waxes. Heck, I have had a few layers of 476 and Collinite's 845 Insulator Wax on my hood and performed 2 alcohol wipedowns and 2 dawn washes with 10 minutes of dwell time and the wax is slicker and beads water better than ever. That's not something many waxes can hold up to.
 
I like this board. Very welcoming and respectful. So, it sounds like the 476 puts me on the right track. I haven't read up on the 845 as of yet.



So, what is involved in using the 476? My methodology for the TW ICE was, apply the paste with the applicator provided (dampened with water) in a 4" circular motion. I'd do 2-3 panels, and then spray on some ICE Spray Detailer which I went over using a microfiber (MF?) towel to wipe off the extra, about 5 minutes after applying the paste. I would then use the ICE Spray Detailer again, and lightly buff the remaining paste with a new MF towel. Is the 476 application roughly the same? Is it harder to use? How many applications of 476 can be applied over top one another, and is there any advantage to doing so?



Also, do I need to strip the ICE off to apply the 476? I don't want to create a mess, but would love to keep the deep shine that the Ice seems to give me.
 
White_Falcon- Welcome to Autopia!



You can often apply a second wax (e.g., the 476S) over top of what's currently on there without problems. But *sometimes* things go haywire; you get a solvent-action where the new wax softens/dissolves/messes with the existing one. Not saying that'll happen, but I'd sure do a test-spot first and *INSPECT* it in different types of lighting (including bright sunlight) to make sure it'll work OK.



I like/use/recommend Collinite waxes, but the 476S might not look as nice to you as the ICE does (personal preferences and so on). Often (usually?) the last product you apply is what contributes most to the "look". So even with the ICE on there, if you do the 476S it might just look like, well.. like 476S period.



Layering 476S doesn't usually work out the way people expect. IMO you're much better off to just do one good, thorough (not thick, just no missed areas) application of it and then reapply after a few washes. That way, you're not really building up layers as much as doing a little (possible) layering while staying ahead of its degradation. Trying to do many layers often just results in the solvent-action thing messing up your plans (each new layer softens/removes the previous one), so IMO it's generally best to let some time elapse between applications anyhow (I just reapply after regularly scheduled washes). After the wax has "cured" for a few days it might hold up better to the attempt at layering.



When I want to overkill a Collinite application, I do one coat of their 845 Insulator Wax. Wait a day or so and then apply a coat of 476S. Wait another day. Apply another coat of 845. Then reapply the 845 every month or so. Overkill indeed, and possibly just plain goofy, but I like how it works out for me on the one car I still use Collinite on.



Using 476S is simple enough. Damp applicator, thin, overlapping applications of wax. Let dry until it passes the "finger-swipe test", meaning it comes off cleanly/dry when you gently wipe it with your finger. Buff off with soft microfiber towels. I fog the surface with my breath before the final wipe; the tiny bit of moisture seems to be beneficial. I don't even use detail sprays when doing such applications, IME they can sometimes cause issues and aren't really necessary (at least not if you do the "fog w/breath" thing).



And as noted, while 476S is very durable, "a few months" is more realistic than "nine months". For really *incredible* durability you'd need a product such as FinishKare's FK1000P (which has pretty much replaced 476S for me, in large part due to that astounding durability).



Oh, and some detail sprays can mess with some waxes. I like Griot's SpeedShine on Collinite, no problems with that combo.
 
476 is great,but if you like the blingy looks of TW ICE but don't like the dust, i'd go grab some Duragloss 105 and top it with Duragloss Aquawax.
 
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