tst teflon coating

David Fermani said:
I think you misunderstood my point AeroClense. I'm referring to someone that isn't a DIY'r. Which is typically the people that buy protection packages in the 1st place.
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Still, if you have to have to get it refreshed every six months, and you take it to a detailer its not going to cost $100 for a wash and wax, well in my business I don't charge anywhere near that for a wash and wax.
 
Scott - It's a crap shoot either way. I've see detailers that completely molesterated a car in a simple Wash & Wax. Some(not all) dealers and sublet dealer detail shops actually have QC people and are managed properly. It would be hard to compare the differences of having the dealer reapply their sealant 10 times in 5 years to an independent doing the same process with a different product. Again, the real difference is the dealer service is somewhat backed by a written warranty.
 
AeroCleanse said:
Still, if you have to have to get it refreshed every six months, and you take it to a detailer its not going to cost $100 for a wash and wax, well in my business I don't charge anywhere near that for a wash and wax.
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Do you charge less than $100 for a W & W? Sealant, not wax.
 
David Fermani said:
Scott - It's a crap shoot either way. I've see detailers that completely molesterated a car in a simple Wash & Wax. Some(not all) dealers and sublet dealer detail shops actually have QC people and are managed properly. It would be hard to compare the differences of having the dealer reapply their sealant 10 times in 5 years to an independent doing the same process with a different product. Again, the real difference is the dealer service is somewhat backed by a written warranty.
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David-I am talking about taking the car to a good detailer who will keep the car properly polished. Just applying a sealant system every 6 months (or whatever the reapplication intervals are) will probably mean a shiny but swirled car in 5 years. Taking the car to a quality detailer who will regularly clay and polish in addition to applying a wax or sealant and the car will look better in 5 years.
 
David Fermani said:
..I'm referring to someone that isn't a DIY'r. Which is typically the people that buy protection packages in the 1st place.
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scottwax said:
.. Just applying a sealant system every 6 months (or whatever the reapplication intervals are) will probably mean a shiny but swirled car in 5 years...
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I've posted before about how these packages work well for some of my friends who have neither the ability to DIY or the interest to pay a real pro.



Yeah, their vehicles look like a horror-show by *MY* standards, but they're still always among the best looking cars in the parking lot and these people think they look plenty good enough.



Zero expense (they negotiate it as a "gimme", including the refreshers) and zero hassle (they have the refreshers done during routine service visits). Their vehicles look OK and they don't get any flak about the condition at trade-in/end of lease time.
 
David Fermani said:
Not really. A wash and wax from most detailers is well over $100. Multiply that by 10 (twice a year for 5 years) and the dealer service is actually cheaper. Not to mention the warranty that comes with it.



People need to acknowledge that these dealer protection warrany plans are very lucrative if managed correctly. Most of these sealants are pretty much on par with what enthusiats are currently using anyways. The troubling part is how it's incorrectly applied and applied to sub-par finishes.



JohnKleven/metropolitandet - I guess after 2 requests you still don't feel the need to answer my simple question? Thanks.
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Ok sorry, 5star, PP, ToughGard, Collinite, are the others that are offered in our area. I agree with everyone, if you're buying any type of warranty like this where you have to reapply the product yourself, might as well just buy a good paint sealant, and either apply it yourself, or pay a professional to do it for you. We use the 1Z Glanz a lot at our shop, it offers good durability, and holds a pretty good shine even on darker colors.





You will also get a much better finished product if you take to a detailshop rather than "most" dealerships. A good coat of wax or sealant is great, but the prep work makes the detail.





John
 
Anomaly said:
It can be done but the PTFE would limit the looks of the paint as well as the color options. It would probably require the paint to be a single stage variety with chopped PTFE fibers mixed in. Processing of the paint application would definitely change pushing the costs out of the price range that auto manufacturers would prefer to spend on the RM; especially since current electrostatic painting is pretty inexpensive and leaves a relatively uniform finish.



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You could certainly include PTFE in a resin system and apply it onto the car, but that will not perform the same, especially for durability as a true PTFE coating. When PTFE is used for frying pans, they are heated to much much higher temperatures than the paint on a vehicle can handle.





John
 
MichaelSpoots said:
What are the excuses that Matrix provides when it doesn't live up to its claims?
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They warranty it fully. From the manufacturer, which includes paint correction, or repaint and reapply. This is another loophole, these warranty companies are making a fortune on "if the product fails, we'll reapply it for free". It's just silly.
 
A dealership will send a car out to get the paint sealant, fabric sealant and rust proofing. The company that does the work will charge the dealer service department $200.00. The service department will charge the sales department $400.00. The sales department will charge the customer $800.00 plus. Everbody makes money except the customer.
 
I think Teflon coatings would be cool for 4 wheel drives. Can you imagine driving a truck that looks like non stick cookware and you simply have to rinse it off:D



BTW, some wheel manufacturers offer Teflon coated wheels.
 
Scottwax said:
David-I am talking about taking the car to a good detailer who will keep the car properly polished. Just applying a sealant system every 6 months (or whatever the reapplication intervals are) will probably mean a shiny but swirled car in 5 years. Taking the car to a quality detailer who will regularly clay and polish in addition to applying a wax or sealant and the car will look better in 5 years.
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You're comparing apples to oranges. I've also seen both dealers, detail shops and mobil guys hack cars up. Just because the dealer or the dealer's sublet detail shop is doing the job doesn't automatically mean they'll just be reappling a sealant. Buffing can always improve the appearance and should always be upsold/offered/attempted in conjunction with resealing. I know a few application centers that do a great job of promoting this actually. Many sealant contracts include free annual reapplications anyways. So again, many times these sealant contracts are actually less expensive than having a detailer maintain them because there's no charge for reapplication. If all depends on the arrangement.
 
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