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I have no intention of arguing for or against those four words. That said, I believe that a decade down the road. George W. will be seen in a more positive light than our current POTUS. Just a gut feeling. ;)
 
Ronkh said:
Elaborate please how you feel it isn't true...
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Does anyone recall 9/11?

Getting rid of Saddam did the region more harm than helped anyone in Iraq. A lot more civilians died during the war than would have until Saddam's brutal regime. His absence left a void that left the area vulnerable and made Iran more powerful. The largest complaint is about ISIS where Obama fulfilled the deal signed by Bush to remove the troops from Iraq. Unless we retained a huge force, they still would have expanded. The fault there is with the Iraqi government here were Bush said we should let the people decide their government - as in Indiana Jones, they chose poorly.

Benghazi was not about being less safe (security had been a topic discussed in Congress and did not allocate more funds) but poor spin control after the event and stupid remarks by Hilliary for sounding insensitive. Consulates had been attacked multiple times under Bush but the casualties were usually locals so no one here paid as much attention.

As for the Iran deal, as long as we are ready to bomb Iran (I am sure Israel would) if they reach a point of where they do something we have that option.

I am sure Texas history books will be rewritten to show Bush as a savior as they rewrite all other history and science.
 
Bunky said:
Does anyone recall 9/11?

Getting rid of Saddam did the region more harm than helped anyone in Iraq. A lot more civilians died during the war than would have until Saddam's brutal regime. His absence left a void that left the area vulnerable and made Iran more powerful. The largest complaint is about ISIS where ObKimi oama fulfilled the deal signed by Bush to remove the troops from Iraq. Unless we retained a huge force, they still would have expanded. The fault there is with the Iraqi government here were Bush said we should let the people decide their government - as in Indiana Jones, they chose poorly.

Benghazi was not about being less safe (security had been a topic discussed in Congress and did not allocate more funds) but poor spin control after the event and stupid remarks by Hilliary for sounding insensitive. Consulates had been attacked multiple times under Bush but the casualties were usually locals so no one here paid as much attention.

As for the Iran deal, as long as we are ready to bomb Iran (I am sure Israel would) if they reach a point of where they do something we have that option.

I am sure Texas history books will be rewritten to show Bush as a savior as they rewrite all other history and science.
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I predict one day Al will be converted.
BTW Happy Birthday!
 
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"He kept us safe." Since no one else wants to do it.

When the Cole was hit in Yemen, we didn't know who did it. By the time Bush took office we did and the Clinton administration handed Bush the names and addresses of the people responsible for that attack and the deaths of 27 sailors. They also handed him a plan prepared by the Joint Chiefs for going into Afghanistan and getting Bin Laden. Do you remember Bush doing that? Of course not, he didn't. Also, Bush took away Richard Clarke, our counter terrorism coordinator's cabinet level access. Remember all that hand wringing about lack of communication? That was why. Do you remember the Presidential Daily Briefing titled, "Osama Bin Laden determined to strike inside the United States."? The briefer from the CIA flew to Crawford, where Bush was clearing brush with Rice, to hand it to him in person. Let me tell you Bush's response, "You've covered your ass, now go back to Washington." Remember all the times the Republicans yelled, "He's wagging the dog with this counter terrorism stuff." All those times were when Clinton went after Bin Laden.

This is just the barest outline and if someone wants to get into it deeper I'll take the time. You can bet if Jeb! is the nominee this will be just a snowflake on the tip of an iceberg.

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After 9-11, the United States had almost everyone in the world behind us. "We are all Americans today." So, what did President Bush do with that good will and the opportunity to lead the world and create an internationally distributed response to the internationally distributed threat of terrorism?

The "Patriot Act" for one. And the Iraq war for another. Awhile back, the man from the CIA who was briefing President Bush every day came out and said the Bush administration was not telling the public what he was telling the President. Now there's this.

[h=1]The CIA Just Declassified the Document That Supposedly Justified the Iraq Invasion[/h]
Robert
 
WhyteWizard said:
After 9-11, the United States had almost everyone in the world behind us. "We are all Americans today." So, what did President Bush do with that good will and the opportunity to lead the world and create an internationally distributed response to the internationally distributed threat of terrorism?

The "Patriot Act" for one. And the Iraq war for another. Awhile back, the man from the CIA who was briefing President Bush every day came out and said the Bush administration was not telling the public what he was telling the President. Now there's this.

The CIA Just Declassified the Document That Supposedly Justified the Iraq Invasion


Robert
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What an utter mess the Bush White House got us into. As angry as that report makes me, the following is extremely sobering:

"According to the latest figures compiled by Iraq Body Count, to date more than 200,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed, although other sources say the casualties are twice as high. More than 4,000 US soldiers have been killed in Iraq, and tens of thousands more have been injured and maimed. The war has cost US taxpayers more than $800 billion."
 
Bush 41 in his auto biography said that his son Bush 43 was ill advised by Cheney and Rumsfeld, and unfortunately for the world...Bush 43 agreed with them.
 
GearHead_1 said:
I believe that a decade down the road. George W. will be seen in a more positive light than our current POTUS.
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Just a few facts w/ citations against that ever happening:

Prevented a Bush Depression and Improved the Economy

The Bush-led Great Recession was costing the economy nearly 800,000 jobs per month by the time President Obama took office. But by the end of his first year, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act created and sustained 2.1 million jobs and stimulated the economy by 3.5%. UPDATE 2-US stimulus added up to 2.1 mln jobs in Q4 2009-CBO | Reuters
Not only did he completed the massive TARP financial and banking rescue plan, he also leaned on the banks and others, and recovered virtually all of the bail-out money. Not foundhttp://bit.ly/eCNrD6

Oversaw the creation of more jobs in 2010 alone than Bush did in eight years. It?s Official: More Private Sector Jobs Created In 2010 Than During Entire Bush Years | NEWS JUNKIE POST
Along with Democrats, and almost no Republicans, implemented an auto industry rescue plan, and saved as many as 1 million jobs. Obama unveils plan to help U.S. auto industry_English_Xinhua Many are of the opinion that he saved the entire auto industry, and even the economy of the entire Midwest. http://bit.ly/gj7mt5This resulted in GM returning to its place as the top car company in the world. http://lat.ms/zIJuQx

Doubled funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership, which is designed to improve manufacturing efficiency. http://bit.ly/eYD4nf

Signed the Democratic-sponsored Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act giving the federal government more tools to investigate and prosecute fraud in every corner of the financial system, and create a bipartisan Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission to investigate the financial fraud that led to the economic meltdown. http://abcn.ws/g18Fe7

Signed the Democratic-sponsored Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility and Disclosure (CARD) Act, which was designed to to protect consumers from unfair and deceptive credit card practices. http://1.usa.gov/gIaNcS

Increased infrastructure spending after years of neglect. http://bit.ly/f77aOw

Signed the Democratic-sponsored and passed Helping Families Save Their Homes Act, expanding on the Making Home Affordable Program to help millions of Americans avoid preventable foreclosures. The bill also provided $2.2 billion to help combat homelessness, and to stabilize the housing market. http://bit.ly/eEpLFn

Through the Worker, Homeownership, and Business Assistance Act of 2009, he and Congressional Democrats provided tax credits to first-time home buyers, which helped the U.S. housing market recovery. http://bit.ly/dZgXXwhttp://bit.ly/gORYfL

Initiated a $15 billion plan designed to encourage increased lending to small businesses. http://1.usa.gov/eu0u0b

Created business.gov, which allows for online collaboration between small businesses and experts re managing a business. (The program has since merged with SBA.gov.) http://www.business.gov

Played a lead role in getting the G-20 Summit to commit to a $1.1 trillion deal to combat the global financial crisis. http://nyti.ms/gHlgp5 Took steps to improve minority access to capital. http://bit.ly/f9xVE7

Signed an Executive Order instructing federal agencies to review all federal regulations and remove any unnecessary and/or burdensome regulations from the books. http://1.usa.gov/Lpo5bd

Through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, saved at least 300,000 education jobs, such as teachers, principals, librarians, and counselors that would have otherwise been lost. http://1.usa.gov/ez30D

Dismantled the Minerals Management Service, thereby cutting ties between energy companies and the government. http://nyti.ms/bw1MLu Along with Congressional Democrats, provided funding to states and the Department of Homeland Security to save thousands of police and firefighter jobs from being cut during the recession. http://bit.ly/g0IKWR

Used recovered TARP money to fund programs at local housing finance agencies in California, Florida, Nevada, Arizona and Michigan. http://on.msnbc.com/i1i8eV

Crafted and signed an executive order establishing the President’s Advisory Council on Financial Capability to assist in financial education for all Americans. http://bit.ly/eyqsNE

China’s largest manufacturer, Foxconn, is building a large plant in Pennsylvania http://cnnmon.ie/1k7LT4S

Worked with Apple Computer to get them to build more product here, and thecompany is building two large plants to manufacture products here; one in Texas http://zd.net/1nkpt2O and one in Arizona http://bit.ly/1mXY5Vg

Oversaw increase of manufacturing jobs by more than 500,000 since 2010, and created an institute to invest in more manufacturing jobs in the technology fields of the future. http://nyti.ms/1egyXrV

Ordered all federal contractors to pay a minimum wage of $10.10 per hour, leading the way to a national increase. http://wapo.st/1iaU5kd

Ordered the completion of the International Trade Data System, a digital trade record book, by 2016. This move will streamline and simplify the process through which small- and medium-sized businesses set up the export of US goods. http://bit.ly/1nwSRF4

Created a climate in which there have been 55 consecutive months of job growth, totaling more than 10 million jobs, which is roughly 10,000,000 more jobs than Bush created in eight years. http://1.usa.gov/1vBDeyCThis is also the longest stretch of private-sector job growth in US history. http://wapo.st/1w3J8Zy

Led the country to 64 consecutive months of economic expansion, eclipsing Saint Reagan’s record, by far. http://onforb.es/1sxJ2by

Oversaw a reduction in the dollar amount of the federal budget deficit by two-thirds since taking office. http://bit.ly/1xKMmjY

Reduced the federal budget deficit from 9.8% of GDP in Fiscal Year 2009 under Bush, to 2.9% of GDP in FY 2014. http://www.cbo.gov/publication/45653

Under Obama, the stock market has reached record highs, restoring most of the economic losses felt during the Bush Recession, when it reached record lows, adjusted for inflation. http://bit.ly/1z4FAtL
 
Im sure some have watched this video already but might as well drop it here. :usflag Keeping the thread ALIVE! B)


 
To me, perhaps the greatest....uhm...tragedy...is that only a beast like Sadam could keep Iraq under control. The guy and his sons were monsters, but under them the country wasnt in chaos.
 
Angus said:
What an utter mess the Bush White House got us into. As angry as that report makes me, the following is extremely sobering:

"According to the latest figures compiled by Iraq Body Count, to date more than 200,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed, although other sources say the casualties are twice as high. More than 4,000 US soldiers have been killed in Iraq, and tens of thousands more have been injured and maimed. The war has cost US taxpayers more than $800 billion."
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I have seen estimates that the war in Iraq will eventually end up costing taxpayers amounts in the trillions once the costs of caring for our injured soldiers are taken into account. They deserve every penny of it, but its sad that it never had to happen.
 
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