Tire and wheel products

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This will be the last thread regarding this, Thanks and sorry for all the questions. I have applied Klasse AIOx1 and SGx3, the car has that candy look everybody talks about. I really like that candy look and was wondering how does it change with a carnuba topper, I know it adds depth and warmth but can someone explain what these terms mean. Anyways im pleased with the way it looks but would feel like im neglecting the paint if i did not put a wax/sealant on it for 3 to 6 months= when at that time after evaluating the paint condition I will start the process over again, Do not want to layer SG down the road due to the high chance of sealing contaminenets in for quite a while. Thanks to YoSteve for clerafying that people use a carnuba topper for layering, if one seals in contaminents hopefully it would not be for six months since carnuba probably would not last that long. If I do layer a carnuba topper what would I have to do for prep on the paint that would NOT remove the Klasse AIO and SG other than a good wash and a QD. Thanks again guys just have to be sure I get this right.
 
This is just my opinion, but I think the whole 'sealing-in-contaminants' worry is a bit over-rated. Besides, stripping all your layers of sealant and starting over once or twice a year isn't going to prevent contaminants from etching into your paint. The best way to deal with contaminants would be close examination whenever detailing your car, spot cleaning with an abrasive when a stain is noticed and then re-applying sealant on that spot. Besides, I've heard from many people (Z & K users) that have been layering sealant for years with no problems with sealing in contaminants. They just spot clean periodically and do a light claying whenever the paint gets less than glassy-smooth.



I've tried applying Souveran over 4 coats of KSG before and it made my black car darker and less 'plastic' looking. However, and I think I'm in the minority when I say that I prefer the high-gloss candy-shine of KSG without carnauba. If you apply carnauba and you want to apply more layers of KSG, then just wait about 4-6 weeks (depends on the wax's durability) and give it a good washing with something strong like Pinnacle or EF Powerwash and that will be enough. The wax will be pretty much gone after that and you can keep layering on your KSG. Just don't use Dawn. It'll do a number on your KSG coats in addition to wiping out the carnauba.
 
I'm in total agreement...



Actually - the whole 'seal in contaminants' discussion made me chuckle - I got this mental image of K or Z being a type of 'superglue', sealing in these trapped contaminants like a mouse stuck under the metal arm of a mousetrap.



If you repeat the whole clay, AIO process 2-3 times a year, I don't think you could get the paint any cleaner otherwise. Let's face it - all of detailing is a losing battle - no matter what, the surface is exposed to the elements, and Mother Nature always wins :( the key is just to keep it as good looking as possible for as long as possible.
 
No we don't. I refuse to be taken in by this hype. I strip my sealant off twice a week. I fear trapped contaminants like a snake fears a mongoose.



:D Sorry, all the kumbaya stuff got to me...
 
There was a period of about 4-5 months or so that I simply had 5 coats of Klasse SG on with no carnauba topper. I was really satisfied with the look. However, I tend to prefer the look of a carnauba topper. If you're curuious of the look, then just try a carnauba on one panel and see if you like it. Laters
 
Just saw the pic of your white beauty. Very nice. Is this the car that you're debating whether to apply a carnauba coat or not. If it is, then I would certainly do it. Pinnacle Paste Glaze, P21 or Blitz should give you a nice wet look to this color.
 
To answer your "depth and warmth" part of the question why don't you try it yourself and see? About 10 months ago I started topping AIO/SG with Blitz because it took the shine to a whole different plateau. VERY little work to find out. As for the warmth part, there is a psycho-therapeutic soul cleansing associated with real wax.
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by Don2000* [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>Just saw the pic of your white beauty. Very nice. Is this the car that you're debating whether to apply a carnauba coat or not. If it is, then I would certainly do it. Pinnacle Paste Glaze, P21 or Blitz should give you a nice wet look to this color. [/b]</blockquote>Yup thats it!
 
I have seen most of the wheel and tire products and do not like the real glossy and greasy stuff that easly rubs off and slings onto the paint.
Has anyone checked out the offering from Michelin, their 3 step process and the satin finish appears dry, and heard it is as good as any on the market.
would like to know your thoughts. in my 50 plus years around cars and hot rods this is a first for a tire company
thanks mike
 
Mike G said:
I have seen most of the wheel and tire products and do not like the real glossy and greasy stuff that easly rubs off and slings onto the paint.
Has anyone checked out the offering from Michelin, their 3 step process and the satin finish appears dry, and heard it is as good as any on the market.
would like to know your thoughts. in my 50 plus years around cars and hot rods this is a first for a tire company
thanks mike
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Never heard of the product you referenced but I recently got some swissvax pheu and it is matte and will not sling. I apply it and let it dry, do another coat and done.
 
I used the vinyl rubber dressing from Griot which leaves a nice matte finish, however, it is expensive and you run out of it pretty fast.
 
I never heard of this product. I have been using Surf City Garage Beyond Black for a while now, and love the results. It gives a deep dark, matte finish that never slings. I have just received my order which includes Opti-Bond, and am anxious to try it out.
 
tire and wheel care

Thank you all for the input. I found out that Michelin has had their tire and wheel cleaner, tire dressing and spray for the wheels to prevent brake dust from sticking. Michelin has it on their "US" web site under "tire care" and has apparently been out for a year. But only advertised on their web site. it is approved for care tires and for my heavy duty truck tires.
I am going to order some and see how it works. maybe it will make my michelins check less.:D
mike
 
Zaino makes an excellent tire dressing that is a liquid, applied with a sponge, dries dark and not greasy looking, and lasts pretty good up here where it rains about 80%+ of the time.

One bottle of it will last me about a year, and I have 3 vehicles of my own that get it frequently, and the 60 vehicles or so, and 1 Airplane all got this treatment too.

Dan F
 
Hey Mike,

No, I can't say that I have heard of this.

I use these;

1. Pinnacle Black Onyx
2. Wolfgang Black Diamond Tire Gel
3. DP Gloss Tire Gel
4. Optimum Opti-Bond Tire Gel

I've listed from 1 to 4 for level of glossiness.

All of these are superb performers with the "more glossy" going to Pinnacle and Wolfgang. Now this glossiness is not the wet shine you might be thinking of if you've ever used something like Meguiar's "Hot Wheels" tire spray.

While either the Pinnacle or Wolfgang are applied they do give off that wet appearance but as the product soaks into the rubber it tends to tone it down to a nice black satin finish. I apply all my tire treatments with a brush and a foam sponge.

DP Gloss Tire Gel goes on buttery smooth and dries to a deep dark rich blackness. It's has sort of a mint smell to it but goes away after it's dried.

Optimum Opti-Bond Tire Gel is another good performer but it takes a couple of coats to get it looking good. This gives what I'd call the flattest finish although it does look quite good but not as rich as the three above.

None of the above sling like many of the liquid products I've tried in the past.
 
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