This article is ridiculous

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SuperBuick

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The moderators over at ls1.com (showcar and detailing section) have put together this article that they post when the question of zaino vs. carnauba wax comes up. It is absolutely ridiculous and it infuriates me that newcomers to the forum and, potentially detailing, are being fed with a bunch of propaganda inflating the benefits of one product over carnauba waxes. So many of the newcomers are blasted with this info, and as a result, are afraid to try anything except _____ . It makes me mad as a detailer who is out looking for the "perfect shine" and trying to help others find it as well. I feel like I'm in a losing battle over there against a bunch of close-minded zealots, just trying to eek my voice out in the hopes that someone hears it and realizes that there is a HUGE world of hard-core detailers out there who know so much more than they (the ___ Zealots over there) do, and who are right here (autopia) to help out. I still can't believe how ludicrous this article is.



http://smiley.tzo.com/fbody/zaino/docs/carnauba_wax.txt



-Tom
 
UGHHH I AM GOING MAD!!!!



"I am totally against using abrasives on paint finishes. Abrasives, no matter how

fine,

create new scratches, they should be avoided and only used when absolutely

necessary. And then only by a trained professional. The clear-coat on today's paint

finishes is very thin and abrasive products will thin it even further and hurt it, in

the long run creating many more swirl marks and fine scratches.



All swirl removers contain abrasives and are loaded with silicone oils and other oils.



Zaino Show Car Polish contains no Abrasives or Silicone oils. Although abrasives

remove scratches they create new scratches and swirls and they thin out the

clear-coat. Silicone oil camouflages swirls and scratches, temporarily, as soon as the

oil washes away or evaporates the swirls are visible again. Kinda a Catch-22. Z-5

fills swirls and scratches and does not create any new scratches. Because Z-5

durability is so high and will not wash away. The scratches will stay filled. That's

the hot ticket to a flawless paint finish.

"







HOW STUPID IS THIS GUY
 
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I did scan the articles and it seemed to have mostly correct info. What they're doing, of course, is skewing facts to promote their opinions. Identical to what politicians do.



Interesting comment about abrasives & Zaino. Even Sal recommends using a SMR (like 3M) if needed. This is one of those areas where people think they're promoting Zaino but actually they're hurting them by manipulating facts. Too bad for the novices out there but this conduct is extremely common at LS1.com and other similar forums.
 
bretfraz said:
I refuse to read non formatted text.
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Ouch! that hurt my eye's just to look at it, let alone try to read it.



I did copy and paste it into Notepad where I will reformat it and then.... read it.
 
The only way to make a judgement to have the correct info avail (Autopia) and compare products on an equal basis (compare apples with apples). Oh course every manfg has a bias for his own products, the newcomer can go out and buy products on a trail basis and judge for himself what works or doesn't or go to forums like this one and take advise from people who really know and make their living from their skill in the application of producs.
 
I found most if not all of the information to be highly biased and borderline incorrect. To say Carnauba waxes are bad is downright ridiculous.



I want to make it clear that this thread is not to bash Zaino in response to their overzealous promotion of it. In no way does it intend to do that. Merely I want to point out the ridiculously skewed information that is out there being force fed to novice detailers, and how angry it makes me.



-Tom
 
For example, "All swirl removers contain abrasives and are loaded with silicone oils and other oils."



This is 100% untrue. I know both meguairs and menzerna make EXCELLENT products that fall outside of this brash and incorrect claim.
 
I am currently using Zaino and I did my own writeup on it based on my hour/hour .. day/day experience putting it on .. It is available if you PM me your e-mail addy ... now that it has been on for 6 weeks I have updated my findings on it.



Would I do it again .... the decission will be a struggle.
 
superbuick,



i'll be honest w/ ya. i used to think just like those folks do. in fact, i recall reading the first link before. i'll also say, i do love zaino. i think what you have over at ls1.com are some folks who are overzealous when it comes to the product and are just set in their ways.



when i first started, i had a question as to whether or not i should layer on top of zaino. sal responded that i should not, because i would be counteracting all the effects of his product (typical answer from a manufacturer). for about 2yrs i considered this to be bible. after going thru a few more sites, i've learned to become more open, and i'll actually be trying some s100 on top of a couple of layers of zaino in the next few weeks.



don't get me wrong, i still love zaino. but if there's something out there that could potentially be better, of improve upon it, you'd better believe i'll entertain the idea of using it.
 
Geez, OK so I've used Zaino, but come on... No one can be that thick? Or can they??



Too bad, this is how a bad rap gets started on the wrong way to use a product. I guess they did not read Nicks Zaino tips.. There's a thought,.... post Nick's Zaino Tips over at that site for them to see what it's really like. Now that may make good conversation.



Maybe it's how they get a "Bitchin" Shine and get the ladies :D



Regards,

Deanski
 
Well, the first article isn't so bad. It doesn't contain any incorrect info....just very biased.



The second article was a bit too involved for my tastes.



The text you copied and pasted is just outright incorrect!



I wouldn't let the ramblings at other forums bother you too much. Is it really worth grieving over?
 
I'm willing to bet Sal cringes whenever he sees stuff like this. People who post stuff like that seriously risk turning people completely off even trying Zaino.



Seems almost like the one issue voters, IMO. They are so stuck on one thing, they fail to see the big picture.
 
superbuick,



Don't ever go to corvetteforum.com car care. They ignore me or they hit me hard. I made some test before/after with Zaino and topping with carnauba.

Well they told me I was a liar using some camera filters to make Zaino look bad, etc., etc..... Why? What for? I am not a distributor.



I do use Zaino in one of my cars and I know its qualities and problems. I am happy with the products am using now because I have an open mind.



Relax and enjoy autopia.

:D
 
fidelfs said:
superbuick,



Don't ever go to corvetteforum.com car care. Relax and enjoy autopia.

:D
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I agree. Over there, if it's not Z, it's nothing. There are a few people who try to set the others straight, but it gets tiring after awhile. It's funny when someone posts a thread asking what carnuba everyone prefers, and the Zealots jump in.
 
I just don't get it.



I use zaino on my daily driver and I love it, but I almost always top with carnauba for an extra deep shine. It's not that you HAVE to, its just that it looks better IMHO. I just want some of these newbies to give it a try. Its nothing pro-carnauba or anti zaino at all. I just don't get how they can become so obsessed with one product like that. Its a GREAT product, but that doesn't mean EVERYTHING else sucks.



Wierd how people get like that isn't it. You don't often hear "VANILLA MOOSE OWNS THE UNIVERSE EVERYTHING ELSE IS CRAP" type of comments from people, but at alot of these forums you get that with Zaino. Poor Sal must be going mad with all the misguided information out there. I mean, c'mon, to say that the only answer to swirls is z5 is just ridiculous.



-Tom
 
Some fact, a lot of misinformation -



There are so many issues, depending on what is important to you in terms of 1)Look 2) Durability 3)Optics 4)Ease of Use, etc etc.



I did not like Zaino on my red car, buy my girfriend has a silver Porsche and I use it on her car. I still prefer carb, at least as a topper.



I have spoken to Sal several times and one of my last conversations with him was something like this (to keep it in context the conversation was very good spirited)



"OK Sal, I tell you what. Next time the winner at Pebble Beach or Cavallino wins with Zaino I'll reconsider using it again"



Sal - "Oh, it will happen"



:)
 
SuperBuick,



Think about this. There are people new to detail cars. They only know the products available in stores like Pepboys, Autozone, etc (USA at least). When they applied the customer base product did shine but not a big improvement. They did not know about prep. or anything like that. One day they join a forum and they saw pictures from fellow users and wow! Wow! and they ask themselves “Can I have that shine in my car?�



Zaino is superior IMHO that any customer base product in market applied with no prep. and knowledge. Just applying Zaino will give you a great reflection and shine never obtained before from them. I know they will have swirls, scratches, etc. but they have S.H.I.N.E. as never before. I know that for personal experience.



A little research will show them that is not the end of the spectrum (shine wise) they can obtain better results if they have a little preparation but why bother they already have a shiny car.



Could they accept something else? Of course not. They will have to expend many hours prep. the car, testing other products, etc. Why? They have a shiny car…..



I remember one of my posts in corvette forum about topping with carnauba. One guy replied saying “Yeah, but with results like this who cares!� .



I think that is the reason. They are happy following others with the current results they have.



:xyxthumbs
 
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