The World’s First Nanoprecision Detailing System

[imported_DennisH]

I just saw this and it sounds interesting and with all the new stuff coming out who knows what the new hot product is going to be. Has anyone tried this stuff or will I have to order it and be the first?



Here is a link to the description.. Surf City Garage Shine On Sealer & Glaze System

 

[gocubbies]

i have used the nano seal. goes on real smooth and came off even smoother. very impressed with the results. i will be getting their barrier reef wax to top the sealant with. i have not heard a bad word about the whole line. i also have their glass cleaner. after doing half my windshield i was calling my cousin to come pick up half my supply of stoner's IG. the other half went to work.

 

[SVR]

I seriously doubt that it's the first. Just another acrylic system to add to the large list

 

[BobD]

I seriously doubt that it's the first. Just another acrylic system to add to the large list

I agree. Surf City does seem to be a great line but most of my products where designed with Nano technology and properties.

 

[JasonD]

Hmm, sounds like CG's M-Seal and Wet Mirror Finish to me. Not saying they are two of the same, but Surf City definitely isn't the first. Eagle One has been pushing "nano" technology for quite some time now, and a lot of other manufacturers have followed suit.

 

[Rayc777]

I seriously doubt that it's the first. Just another acrylic system to add to the large list

If they made it before 1979 when Toughguard was first patented then they can say they are the world's first. If they can't then they are lying. And to add insult to the claim, it's made with carnuaba.



5 Star Shine say their formula was the first to receive a patent. They can say that now because TOUGHGUARD's original patent EXPIRED in the late 1990's. They can sell that Teflon filled formula all they want but I wouldn't put it on my or my customer's cars.



The reason Toughguard didn't push the Teflon based formula to the automotive market in the 1980's is because if a car got into a wreck it was almost impossible to get the repainted area to match the Teflon/Acrylic coated finish. The two areas would not blend. That's why it was sold PRIMARILY to the military and the aviation industry. If a plane got into a wreck or a satellite dish got damaged MATCHING the PAINT was NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL.



That way of thinking would not work with the automotive industry. If a car gets wreck the paint must be close to a match or you'll have a angry customer.



One thing I can say about Bill, the owner of Toughguard, is He cares for people and he won't steal, lie or cheat them. That why he has my respect.



Please forgive the rant. I am NOT pushing a product I am just stating the facts. It's hard enough to get clients when everyone is saying the products you are installing is "nothing more than snake oil" and then have other companies taking credit for things they did not really accomplish is angering..



Derrick

 

[ron231]

If they made it before 1979 when Toughguard was first patented then they can say they are the world's first. If they can't then they are lying. And to add insult to the claim, it's made with carnuaba.



5 Star Shine say their formula was the first to receive a patent. They can say that now because TOUGHGUARD's original patent EXPIRED in the late 1990's. They can sell that Teflon filled formula all they want but I wouldn't put it on my or my customer's cars.



The reason Toughguard didn't push the Teflon based formula to the automotive market in the 1980's is because if a car got into a wreck it was almost impossible to get the repainted area to match the Teflon/Acrylic coated finish. The two areas would not blend. That's why it was sold PRIMARILY to the military and the aviation industry. If a plane got into a wreck or a satellite dish got damaged MATCHING the PAINT was NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL.



That way of thinking would not work with the automotive industry. If a car gets wreck the paint must be close to a match or you'll have a angry customer.



One thing I can say about Bill, the owner of Toughguard, is He cares for people and he won't steal, lie or cheat them. That why he has my respect.



Please forgive the rant. I am NOT pushing a product I am just stating the facts. It's hard enough to get clients when everyone is saying the products you are installing is "nothing more than snake oil" and then have other companies taking credit for things they did not really accomplish is angering..



Derrick

How much is this "Bill" from Toughguard paying you?

 

[David Fermani]

The reason Toughguard didn't push the Teflon based formula to the automotive market in the 1980's is because if a car got into a wreck it was almost impossible to get the repainted area to match the Teflon/Acrylic coated finish. The two areas would not blend. That's why it was sold PRIMARILY to the military and the aviation industry. If a plane got into a wreck or a satellite dish got damaged MATCHING the PAINT was NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL.



That way of thinking would not work with the automotive industry. If a car gets wreck the paint must be close to a match or you'll have a angry customer.

I really don't think this is accurate. When a painter/shop "blends" color onto an adjacent panel, that and every other panel getting refinished gets fully sanded. ANY coating that's on that surface will be gone. Blending is a refinishing process to correct minor color matching problems. The “blending� illusion is created by fading or blending paint onto adjacent undamaged panel to give the appearance of an exact match.



On a case by case basis, blending may be necessary after considering color, condition, damage location and, if appropriate, to bring the vehicle to pre loss appearance condition.

 

[porta]

I would like to second David Fermani about that their is no problem to repaint a acrylic/ptfe coated area. And IMHO PPS is more durable the Toughguard.

 

[Junebug]

Another second on David's post. I do know my way around a shop too and I currently work with one.

 

[Rayc777]

How much is this "Bill" from Toughguard paying you?

Ron,

Bill does not pay me. I have to find customers and install the product just like you. I work. If a warranty is given I have to pay the fee for each install. That's why my prices are so high. It's a hard sell when people keep believing your product and service will NOT be able to deliver the STATED promise. It's even worst when you get satisfied customers and they will not give referrals because they want their cars to be the nicest looking on the block and at car shows. I have never dealt with such strange ways of thinking in my life.



Derrick

 

[Rayc777]

The “blending� illusion is created by fading or blending paint onto adjacent undamaged panel to give the appearance of an exact match.

David,

Thanks for the explanation. I was TOLD, in the early 80's paint shops had a hard time matching the undamaged panels because of the ptfe which was an active part of the old formula's chemistry. Is it right or wrong? I don't know.



Derrick

 

[wannafbody]

I really don't think this is accurate. When a painter/shop "blends" color onto an adjacent panel, that and every other panel getting refinished gets fully sanded. ANY coating that's on that surface will be gone. Blending is a refinishing process to correct minor color matching problems. The “blending� illusion is created by fading or blending paint onto adjacent undamaged panel to give the appearance of an exact match.



On a case by case basis, blending may be necessary after considering color, condition, damage location and, if appropriate, to bring the vehicle to pre loss appearance condition.

I have read some posts where removing a product was close to impossible. In fact one post claimed over 30 different passes with different pads and polishes, prep sol and wax removers. Most body shops wouldn't take that much time to fully remove a product.

 

[David Fermani]

I have read some posts where removing a product was close to impossible. In fact one post claimed over 30 different passes with different pads and polishes, prep sol and wax removers. Most body shops wouldn't take that much time to fully remove a product.

When a panel is prepped for paint, it's not buffed or wiped down with solvent. It's sanded with heavy sandpaper and most of the clear is removed. ANY coating on the paint won't penetrate through the clear so it will be gone.

 

[Rayc777]

I have read some posts where removing a product was close to impossible. In fact one post claimed over 30 different passes with different pads and polishes, prep sol and wax removers. Most body shops wouldn't take that much time to fully remove a product.

Wannafbody,

I was told the ptfe in the old formula was an 'active' part of the chemistry that made the acrylic sealant molecularly bond with the charged paint. That's what caused to paint issues. Most paint products sold today add ptfe to their products as a marketing point. The ptfe in those products is a useless additive and does nothing to benefit the paint. The ptfe does not even stick to the paint.



Derrick

 

[porta]

I know a couple of cars who was coated with PPS, and they had no problem when respraying the panels. As said before, the panels where sanded down to the metall and then repainted.

 

[Rayc777]

I know a couple of cars who was coated with PPS, and they had no problem when respraying the panels. As said before, the panels where sanded down to the metall and then repainted.

That's why TOUGHGUARD's chemistry was changed, so body shops would not have to do that much work. Sanding a panel to the base metal is a pain. I am not going to install something that my customers will come back and point a pistol at me. Can you say chicken? :nervous2:

That's me.



Derrick

 

[porta]

Hmm well I honestly I should maybee not had said anything since repainting is not my strong side. But I thought that all repainted ares where sanded down to the metal...



Nevermind now I remember that we used 320 grit and did not sanded down to the metal.



I have used and talked with a lots of people who both have used PPS and Toughguard and all did have the same opinion. PPS did have a better durability. Beacuse of the ptfe? I dunno.



Will ask my friend when I met him and ask if he had any troubles when he resprayed his front fender. The car was sealed with PPS.



Have you noticed any differences in durability between PPS and Toughguard?

 

[David Fermani]

FYI - Shops don't sand down to bare metal for paint prep. Only when working sheetmetal or when a panel is new. When doing a blend, just the clear is sanded. The base coat is untouched. Again, there's not a product out there that will penetrate the clear coat, thus NOT creating more work for a body shop.

 

[David Fermani]

In adddition, sealant warranties do not apply to non-factory refinished panels. For example, if your vehicle is sealed and then needs a re-paint, the sealant company won't warranty the re-paint. Just the factory painted coating. Some companies will give free product for the reapplication, but will not extend the warranty.