The "Really ?!?!?!?!" Thread

Trouble said:
If you want to remain friends you will have to accept and respect the fact that you will have differences in opinions. Trying to educate someone that doesn't want to be educated on a public forum rarely works. Try to refrain from responding to subjects concerning how he is raising his family or what his religious beliefs might be. Instead focus on the things that you have in common - and be positive!


Warmest Regards,

Dear Abbey
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The thing is nothing i mentioned had anything to do with religion or how is raising his kids. All i stated was how the meme was wrong. I didnt tell him he is raising his kids wrong or state anything that would have offended him. I guess the truth just hurts some people. Honestly, how can you post a meme with a question, and then get mad when someone answers it truthfully? Doesnt make much sense.
 
TacoHerder said:
Its a meme that says "how is my unvaccinated kid a threat to your vaccinated kid"


I explained it to him, I stated how vaccines are designed for single strains of the virus and if it spreads because a lot of kids didn't get vaccinated it can mutate to the point where vaccines are useless. He doesnt comment or tell me im wrong. He just unfriends me. i had another friend try and tell me i was stupid and wrong, citing that vaccines cause autism and other side effects. I challenged him to prove his claim. I then cited about half a dozen real scientific data straight from the journals that show no correlation between autism and vaccines. I even asked him what happens when his unvaccinated kid goes over seas and gets sick. Which btw is exactly what scientists have discovered what happen this year with the measles outbreak currently going on. One unvaccinated kid went over seas and brought it back spreading it. Its been a few weeks and my friend who also posted it to his 600+ foil hat friends and NONE of them have yet to meet this challenge.

My friend who didn't unfriend me tried too. he posted one link from a photographer.....Who tried to debunk a article over vaccines which was written by an PhD. Well my friend started the conversation by telling me NOT to trust the govt. He then goes on to cite me sources to prove me wrong which all contain nothing but CDC and FDA claims. I sat at work for like 3 hours going through the photographers rebuttal and destroyed it. It was utter nonsense and fallacy after fallacy. After I destroyed it not another word was said. I guess my friend realized I science a lot and dont buy into foil hat nonsense.


Im not worried about he FB wierdos. im worried about a friend i grew up with. A friend I have seen been hit by a car(which happened to be the mayor at the time), pulled out of a fire, and graduated from a ROTC high school. I dont want to see this friend cause harm to his child because of his own ignorance. Its really sad. He wont even respond to a message I sent him. O well I guess. I think he already stop[ped being my friend because i am an agnostic atheist who despises religious terrorists of all types and i regularly post articles dealing with religion. BUT I never attack the religion itself, just the religious bigots and terrorists like Justin Lookadoo and many more.
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Welcome to America. People who won't immunize their children due to government conspiracy theories or due to a believed correlation with autism are just lost. Only in place like this would people be allowed to make decisions that could put the the whole population at risk for an infectious disease that 20 years ago would be a non-issue.

But, none of this surprises me. We live in an age where lack of personal responsibility and common sense is the norm. The same people who will not heed the advice of a pediatrician who stresses the importance of getting vaccinated will be the first to run back to the pediatrician once their children are covered in measles spots or the child is baking at 105° due to the flu.

Diseases like measles and whooping cough were almost considered eradicated in America - only now to be coming back due to the ignorant decisions of parents who choose not to vaccinate.

As a certified immunizer, I hear so many crazy notions bandied around regarding vaccines... A vaccine is just a small amount of virus or bacteria that causes a disease that has had parts of it isolated (so you don't actually get the disease) or has been killed. Exposure to the vaccine is many times safer than actually being exposed to the disease itself - something that will likely be inevitable if one chooses not to have the child vaccinated. People's immune systems are exposed to hundreds of viruses and bacteria each day via daily life that have not been attenuated in doses greater than is contained in any vaccine.

Then there are the those who still believe there is mercury in vaccines. Mercury / thimerosal has all but been eliminated as a vaccine preservative many years ago. In actuality, most vaccines today come in pre-filled preservative free syringes opposed to multi- dose vials.

I'd really like to know where the anti-vaccine crowd gets their information from. They don't believe stats posted by the government/CDC or vaccine manufacturers. But they will somehow believe information relayed by some person/organization that has no professional licensure or formal medical training. Out of all the products manufactured for public use by big pharmaceutical - vaccines are the the one thing that seem to get the most negative press - but are actually the most beneficial for society and the individual with virtually zero risk.

Go figure. We're probably all doomed.
 
Swanicyouth said:
I'd really like to know where the anti-vaccine crowd gets their information from. They don't believe stats posted by the government/CDC or vaccine manufacturers. But they will somehow believe information relayed by some person/organization that has no professional licensure or formal medical training. Out of all the products manufactured for public use by big pharmaceutical - vaccines are the the one thing that seem to get the most negative press - but are actually the most beneficial for society and the individual with virtually zero risk.

Go figure. We're probably all doomed.
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You can thank people like Jenny McCarthy for being aloud to spout out any nonsense they want on national television. She claims not to be anti-vaccine but yet preaches about them being unsafe and causing autism. Of course I have heard crap like if you live within ________ distance from a freeway, your baby is most likely to be autistic.
 
Swanicyouth said:
They don't believe stats posted by the government/CDC or vaccine manufacturers. But they will somehow believe information relayed by some person/organization that has no professional licensure or formal medical training.
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I better put my flame suit on for this:


They would be the same people who believe the Earth is 5000 years old and that men and dinosaurs walked the Earth together. Same thought process.
 
Nth Degree said:
I better put my flame suit on for this:


They would be the same people who believe the Earth is 5000 years old and that men and dinosaurs walked the Earth together. Same thought process.
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I think it is more hippies and uninformed housewives(including the ones that have chicken pox parties for the kids and/or send the virus though the mail on piece of candy)


From Wiki:
A pox party, or flu party or flu fling, is a social activity where children are deliberately exposed to a virus to promote immunity. Such parties are typically organized by parents on the premise of building the immune systems of their children against diseases such as chickenpox and measles (which can be more dangerous to adults than to children) or flu. Such practices are highly controversial and are discouraged by public health officials.[1] In the USA, if the exposure involves the United States Postal Service to swap contaminated items, the practice is illegal.

Experts say it is unlikely that these methods will transmit the chickenpox virus effectively or reliably, because the varicella virus cannot survive for very long on the surface of such items. However, it may be a reliable method of transmitting other diseases, including hepatitis B, group A streptococcal infection, and staphylococcal infections—potentially deadly diseases that the parents never intended to expose their children to.
 
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Besides a lot of other things... Did you know vaccination is responsible for addiction?

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Here is the paper from an credited PhD background Dear parents, you are being lied to. | IFLScience


And here is the "rebuttal" from the photographer...
Dear parents, you’re STILL being lied to (rebuttal to Jennifer Raff’s unsupported pro-vaccination claims) | Rina Marie


If you go through the "rebuttal" you will see it really is non sense. She is very dishonest and likes to quote mine, I do not like people like this. Also you will see she misinterprets CDC and FDA articles and does not even attempt to refute the scientific data from the original article.

And because of people like Jenny McCarthy this has happened
One map sums up the damage caused by the anti-vaccination movement | IFLScience
 
Speaking of vaccines.I just got a tetanus shot. We need them every 10 years ,so just a reminder to get one if you havent had one.:bigups

My arm still feels like someone punched me!But dont let that stop you !:D
 
GearHead_1 said:
You couldn't use the shoulder anyway, that's great timing.
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Actually my shoulder has been in"thawing stage " so getting much more movement . I could not imagine having a tetanus shot a few months ago on top of that.

But yes its good timing , because they said the more you move it the better .3 days later its still quite sore from the shot!

I just read some of the websites that are against vaccines and glad I didnt read them beforehand .

Also I am no longer a vegetarian and have bovine in me now .:D
 
GearHead_1 said:
On the beef, moderation in all things. Actually, I have no idea what these vaccines are made from.
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I looked up tetanus shot ingredients and it said bovine extract among many other I dont know what they are chemicals. But I was mistaken and the type I got did not have bovine .

They have formaldihyde though and many other chemicals so I can see why people question whether its Ok to have them.

I figure in this line of work I am always seeming to get cut or nicked and would rather not get Tetanus if I can help it!
 
those shots always ache for a few days after (heavy oil base ?), but a good prevention move dc. i'm always getting cuts and nicks detailing. :bigups
 
ca.detailchick said:
Speaking of vaccines.I just got a tetanus shot. We need them every 10 years ,so just a reminder to get one if you havent had one.:bigups

My arm still feels like someone punched me!But dont let that stop you !:D
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The most common "tetanus booster" given is Adacel. Most likely this is what you got. It's also known as Tdap, because it contains Tetanus, Diphtheria, and Acellular Pertussis antigens as well. So, besides getting a "tetanus booster" - what else is significant is your also getting a pertussis "booster" (whooping cough).

This shot is given intramuscularly (injection directly into the muscle) - similar to a flu shot. However, Adacel seems to cause a bit more muscular pain - likely due to it having 3 antigens in from 3 different organisms.

So, feeling like your arm was "punched" is 100% normal and is a predicable side effect. In fact, when I give this vaccine - I usually tell people their arm will feel just that way. The pain should be gone within 5 days or so, in the meantime if it's very bothersome you can take Tylenol or Motrin (as long as here is no reason you shouldn't take Motrin - like blood thinners, history of ulcers, etc...)

When you received the vaccine, the vaccinator was obligated by law to give you a VIS (vaccine information sheet) which will answer the most common questions on the specific vaccine you received.
 
Thanks for all the great info Swancy! I was wondering what that third one was !And your right it was the Adacel.

Nurse who gave it to me said "your going to be Sooo sore!" I said "really,nahh!" she said "Oh yes your going to be SOooooo sore"Ok Id been warned but I still didnt quite beleive her until the next day LOL Its day 4 and the soreness is gone.

Yes, they gave me info on I glanced at.

But it really wasnt that bad ,it just felt like a big bruise..........(now that its over!:D)
Swanicyouth said:
The most common "tetanus booster" given is Adacel. Most likely this is what you got. It's also known as Tdap, because it contains Tetanus, Diphtheria, and Acellular Pertussis antigens as well. So, besides getting a "tetanus booster" - what else is significant is your also getting a pertussis "booster" (whooping cough).

This shot is given intramuscularly (injection directly into the muscle) - similar to a flu shot. However, Adacel seems to cause a bit more muscular pain - likely due to it having 3 antigens in from 3 different organisms.

So, feeling like your arm was "punched" is 100% normal and is a predicable side effect. In fact, when I give this vaccine - I usually tell people their arm will feel just that way. The pain should be gone within 5 days or so, in the meantime if it's very bothersome you can take Tylenol or Motrin (as long as here is no reason you shouldn't take Motrin - like blood thinners, history of ulcers, etc...)

When you received the vaccine, the vaccinator was obligated by law to give you a VIS (vaccine information sheet) which will answer the most common questions on the specific vaccine you received.
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