The New Lexus LS460L

The new interior looks nice, but there seems to be too much large areas of plastic which cheapen the look a bit. Also, the exterior styling is really, really, really bland IMO. Some of the other posts state that it looks like a BMW. I guess that makes sense since the last generation LS ripped most of its styling off from the last generation M-B S-class.
 
Eww. I loved the styling of the old ls430's and ls400's, but this looks like the new lexus gs, and that is NOT a good thing. i also doubt the exhaust will make it to the factory version.
 
I'd almost take a wager the Sean is right about the exhaust. From a design standpoint it simply can't remain the same without heat transfer to the bumper and subsequent damage.
 
A vast improvement over the AARP company car they call the current "LS".





I think it should put up much more of a fight now.
 
I think the high end luxury cars are engaging in an interesting battle over the next few years:

1) BMW - The new Bangle designs are controversial, to say the least. I used to love the old 7-series, but the new version just doesn't look right to me. Additionally, they are having lots of issues with electronics, computer systems, etc. My father in law was driving between our houses, a 90 minute drive, and watched the computer reboot, he told me, at least 5 or 6 times. He was driving it because his X5 4.4i was new, and was in process of being returned due to lemon laws. I still see the 7 series around, just not as many as I used to see.



2) Mercedes - The modern S class is not the old S class. The old S class was built to a standard, not to a price. Overengineered? Yes. Built like a tank? Yes. Last forever? Yes. The newer S classes have had a documented history of quality issues. For me the telling issue was when I read, I believe in the Wall Street Journal, that taxi drivers in Germany, were not buying the new Benzes, but were driving up the price of older body style S classes, because they had lower repair cost and they held up better in the real world. I long for the old over the top S class, and I may just buy one of the old ones to remind me of those days. I look forward to seeing how the new S class does.



3) Audi - The new A8 is a great car. They also seem to have some issues with quality, but the A8 seems to be doing well with the analysts. However, they depreciate like a rock, and the dealer service is spotty. I have an older model, great car, bad tranny design, and lots of little things constantly breaking. However, it has never stranded me and drives great. From a looks standpoint, this is my favorite.



4) Lexus - Seems to be sticking to their battle plan of constantly evolving their product, but basing everything, including their customer experience, from the stand point of luxury. I actually think that a conservative exterior design is a good thing in a top of the line luxury car, although never cared for the old LS. I believe their touch screen systems are easier to use than i-drive, or Audi's mmi interface. After driving some of the new cars, I think the new Lexus is a big improvement dynamically over the old. If you haven't driven a new V8 powered GS, then you should do so before slamming Lexus as a "Granny Car".



5) Infiniti - They need to do something with the Q. I just don't get it, especially when the M, the FX, and the G35 have been big winners for them.



6) Cadillac - Can't really say much, as I don't really care for their design, either interior or exterior, although I think the new STS looks okay. At least they are pushing the envelope, just not pushing it in my direction.



7) Jaguar - I drove in a buddy's XJ8, nice car, certainly very traditional. To my eyes, time for a freshening of the design, but I am sure that the traditional Jag buyer love the look and you won't see much deviation. Seemed pretty tight on the inside for such a big car.



With normal family cars like Accords, Passats, and Fusions performing at levels that used to be reserved for sports cars, we are living in very good times. It's a great time to be a car guy.



Sam
 
SamIam said:
With normal family cars like Accords, Passats, and Fusions performing at levels that used to be reserved for sports cars, we are living in very good times. It's a great time to be a car guy.



Sam



I totally agree! Remember the cars of the 80s??

:think:



Anyways, I just don't appreciate all of the electrical gizmos and nannies now. Not only do they hurt reliability(or in Benzes, really hurt! :nervous: ) but they also put more between our right foots and the wheels.



Just my $.02 :xyxthumbs
 
SamIam- Nice summary; I agree!



drewski59- Agree with you too. All the modern electro/computer whiz-bang features really turn me off. I keep saying I'm gonna replace my "deered" S8 but it seems like every new car on the market turns me off in some big way :(



Yeah, I'm a bit of a dinosaur but I know what I want/don't...and my wife refuses to even consider replacing her '00 A8 with *anything*. We used to look forward to new cars coming to market :(
 
What really bugs me is the complexity of the iDrive, mmi, etc. What's wrong with just tuning your radio with a button or dial. Navigating the menu systems are a recipe for disaster.



I understand your wife not wanting to part with the older A8. I drove my mother in laws S430 in Florida and I am lucky I didn't crack the car up trying to tune radio stations, etc.



With that in mind, what is cooler, the iDrive system, or the toggle switches you find on a Mini?



I think I am going to buy an old simple car just for fun. A buddy has a late 80s Saab 900 Turbo, which is a blast, all dials and gauges, and a great up right seating position.
 
I'll say this much about iDrive and similar navigational systems - as maligned as they are once you get the hang of them they are really nice. I used to hate iDrive until I learned how to use it - I do agree having more voice commands is a good thing, though.
 
SamIam said:
I think I am going to buy an old simple car just for fun..



Know what you mean; I recently picked up an '84 Mazda RX-7 for just that reason (and because I thought the 24k car would benefit from my ownership ;) ). Having had one in college, it works as a time machine too.



Picus- Some friends of mine don't mind their i-drives either. at least now tht they've gotten used to them. I'm just an analog type of guy (who doesn't use navigation and hates to take his eyes off the road). For somebody who *does* use navigation systems, some of these new ones are probably great.
 
BMW, MB, Jag, Audi -- euro heeps of trash! In my never to be humble opinion they should not even be mentioned in the same breath as LEXUS. Sounds like a lot of people on this BB are still living in the 70's - dump the puca shell necklaces and ployester shirts guys this is a new era.



Of course there are always the ding bats out there who like bashing a particular car maker for reasons they can't even explain -nothing they say or cite ever makes sense. Can't do much about their ignorance but anyone with any intelligence and flavor for quality will tell you LEXUS is the way to go. The rest of you ding bats, put down the GM & FORD sponsored road & track magazine and get real UNBIASED test results from consumer reports. Naturally you'll come up with some ridiculous reason as to why it is that CR put those euro cars at the bottom of the heap. But if racing in & out of orange cones is what you do and you need the info then continue with your road & track stats.



SUCKERS
 
For those saying the Lexus is bland, when has Lexus ever pushed the envelope in exterior styling? At this point, it should be expected that the Lexus will not necessarily be an eye catcher.



Also, this car is not meant for the sports players. It is meant for the Execs, and wealthy retired people that want to ride in the lap of luxury, but don't car for drawing unnecessary attention their way.
 
SpoiledMan said:
I'd almost take a wager the Sean is right about the exhaust. From a design standpoint it simply can't remain the same without heat transfer to the bumper and subsequent damage.



IDK, the Chevy Silverado SS managed to do it...
 
boxer said:
For those saying the Lexus is bland, when has Lexus ever pushed the envelope in exterior styling? At this point, it should be expected that the Lexus will not necessarily be an eye catcher.



Very true, but I don't like that so much of the styling seems borrowed from other cars. They used to be boring but they still had a sense of individuality to them.
 
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