The Medallion Twins

JustinR32

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Or, does Tom ever leave a product on his car long enough to test its durability, or is he only going to tell us how it looks and how he found it to use (easy or hard)?



(No. He will not leave a product on his car long enough to test its durability. He will only tell you how it looks and if he found it easy to use, or hard.)



Stress levels have been high. Two guys (including my boss) got fired at the beginning of the month, so I have a new boss and twice as much work (but half as many sales and income because I'm spread so thin administratively), and Mary Joan found the bank statement with the supercharger debit on it :eek:.... So, I needed some time relaxing with the PC. I've been exploring the bottom of the Meguiar's line, and finding some fascinating products, so today I decided to explore the top of the line, the 9X16 series Medallion products.



I started with 9716 MPPC. Question: is there enough solvent in this product? ;) Seriously, it smelled like I was painting the garage! Use in a well ventilated area. Nevertheless, I applied it panel by panel with the PC set on 3.5 and the yellow Meg's pad, and removed it with clean mf towels, again panel by panel (rather than whole car). It does a nice job of stripping old products and preparing the paint, leaving a clean, slightly squeaky surface. It is pretty easy to use; apply, buff off, that's it.



Sensitive to reports that MPPP can look plasticky, I considered putting down a layer of #7. I sort of thought that I remembered that MPPP can be put over #7, but couldn't positively remember it. A quick call to the Meguiar's 800# hooked me up with TJ, who advised me correctly that MPPP will absolutely work over #7, and furthermore said (correctly) that ALL Meguiar's protectants will work with their glazes.



I can't understand how people find #7 hard to use. I applied it with the PC set on 3 and a white (softest) Edge pad, and removed it with a Koala Soft buffing towel, finishing with a MF towel. I don't let the #7 dry much at all, and I use almost no pressure when removing it with the KST; I wipe, turn, wipe, then buff, then "mop up" with the MF. I tell you, Lab Sample E can only look as good as a freshly #7'd car; there's no way it can look better, IMO.



I always apply final coats by hand. I applied the MPPP with a Meg's foam applicator, doing the entire car all at once, starting with the hood and finishing with the hood a second time (without removing the first application). I don't know why I did the hood twice, but it didn't hurt. I waited 30 minutes and then removed it with a "high pile" MF towel, one that seems softer and less grabby than a regular MF. The MPPP came off readily, easier than #20, #26, and GC; more like the A1216 I tried a couple- three weeks or so ago. I final buffed with the Concours Buffing Towel (which someone should make underwear out of, it's so soft). A word here: MPPP contains cleaners, moreso than GC, #20, and 1216, and will not layer.



The results? I am really impressed with this product! As I worked with it, it was easy even up close, to see the superior gloss and depth relative to the product it replaced (Collinite Marque d Elegance). It is also MUCH glossier, deeper, and more reflective than the consumer line products I've been using, the 1216 and 2216 waxes. (And it should be, at 4X the price; if it looked the same, why make it?) It has a handsome, "waxy" look, very similar to #26 IMO, very deep and smooth and silky. How much of this look can be attributed to the #7 is certainly arguable; nevertheless, I use the #7 underneath almost everything I apply, so at least my point of reference remains constant.



Verdict: In my opinion, not enough is said and written about MPPP, and based on its appearance, I don't know why. Perhaps because its cleaner level makes it unlayerable? Fair enough, for those who enjoy repetitious applications of product. Sometimes I do. However, layering is one solution, and not the only one. If one coat can do it, then one coat does it. Also, MPPP, because of its reputed durability, can be an excellent substitution for #20 in the "Meg's Beauty Pack" (7/20/26). I'm sold.



It's tough to get these photos in the garage at night, but here you go:



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Tom
 
Great review. Thanks for the info.



Question for you, since you've been testing a bunch of lower end Meguiar's products lately.



Have you done a review or comparison of A-2116 (deep crystal step 2 polish) vs. #7, or have some info on the similarities and differences of these two products?



Also, how about A-3016 (step 1 paint cleaner)? It isn't anything like a product like #9 (for example). Is it more in common with the MPPC? The Step 1 smells and looks very odd, its not like any other product I currently have from Meguiar's.



Thanks.
 
Here is a list of which Megs product is more aggressive and more detail on them. This is a quote from Mike Phillips of Megs.



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In order, of aggressiveness, starting with the most aggressive and ending with the least aggressive.



* Medallion Paint Cleaner

* Meguiar’s Clear Coat Body Scrub

* Deep Crystal Paint Cleaner



Medallion Paint Cleaner contains both chemical cleaners and microscopic diminishing abrasives and is the most aggressive of the three.



Body Scrub also contains chemical cleaners and diminishing abrasives but is not quite as aggressive as the Medallion Paint Cleaner.



Deep Crystal Paint Cleaner is purely a chemical cleaner and contains no diminishing abrasives at all.



Of course, all of this can be changed by a numbers of factors,



The kind of paint your working on, traditional lacquers and enamels, versus catalyzed singe-stage and bc/cc paints



Application material and method.

Medallion and Body scrub are more aggressive than Deep Crystal Paint Cleaner when all variables remain the same. Change the variables and one product can all of sudden become more aggressive than the other.



Example, using terry cloth versus using a foam wax applicator for applying.



The cotton nap, (the little loopy threads that make terry cloth… well... terry cloth), act as a mild form of an abrasive thus increasing the cleaning and/or abrading power of whatever chemical is used with it, as compared to the soft open cell structure of a foam wax applicator pad, (such as the Meguiar's W-0004).



Small change, in application material can mean a big change in power and end-results.



I’ll keep working on the “Definitive List�, but it’s on the back burner right now because of other front burner projects and because it will contain a lot of information.



It’s definitely not a one sentence post, like… “me tooâ€�, or “I agreeâ€�, etc….




Megs #7 is a pure glaze. More on that below:



The trick to using #7 is both in the application and the removal. Apply a thin coat, (because your going to wipe off the remaining product that's sitting on top), and remove using a soft, terry cloth towel, going around the car 2-3 times, only taking off “some� of the product in one area at a time.



Most people that run into problems with #7 apply too much, and then try to wipe it off like it is a wax, i.e. remove all of the product in one section at one time… and then move on.



The problem with this is because the #7 doesn't really 'dry', when you wipe it off, the action of your removal material, (and this is key), "agitating" the film of #7 acts to "re-liquefy it", causing it to become oily and smeary again, like when you were applying it.



The more you agitate it, the more it liquefies and spreads, thus frustrating someone trying to remove “all of it� like a wax.



The real trick is to not get in a hurry. Use your terry cloth towel to “Break-Up�, or “Disrupt� the continuous film of #7, removing “the most of it�, and then moving around the car. As your going around the car, the #7 you left behind, while it will not “Dry�, it will “Skin�, somewhat like the top layer of pudding. After it has skinned, it will be easier to remove.



Go around the car 2-3 times following this routine and you will end up with 99% of the #7 removed.



Now break out your microfiber polishing cloth and remove any remaining #7 residues.



Will #7 remove the #26?



Oh probably to some degree. I have read on numerous forums where someone has posted that #7 is abrasive, or that it contains abrasives. Sometimes they site the MSD Sheet for this product to back up their claim.



I’m here to correct that bad information. #7 in Meguiar’s terminology is a “Pure Polish�, it is completely “Non-Abrasive�.



It has NOT been scratching paint since sometime in the late 1920’s, and it’s not scratching, or abrading modern paint today.



If a person uses #7 and it abrades/scratches the paint, then they need to look for the “root cause� instead of blaming the product.



The thing about removing a layer of wax using another product has to do with the simple, “act of touching� the surface where to some degree the potential for “micro-scratching� exists.



So sure, if the potential is there, then it’s possible. I wouldn’t let it keep me from polishing with the #7, especially if you like the results you see with your eyes which is what it’s all about.



For decades, serious enthusiasts have used nothing but #7 to maintain their finish and prep it for show or display. It is water soluble so it offers not “Lasting Characteristicsâ€�, but for those same reasons… You can’t get a “ Build-Upâ€�. This means you can use it as often as you like.



It’s excellent for Garage Queens. I will tell a little story about #16 Professional Paste wax that will tie in with #7 sometime down the road. (It’s in my book).



Hopefully, by the end of this week I will have the article I’m writing on the abrasive level of Meguiar’s products ready to post to Autopia.




Mike is the one you want answering your question, but first, it helps to look around as you can see Mike has posted many great articles on the products and how to correctly use them. Currently he has been working on a book and hopefully will have it released soon.



I hope this answers some of your questions.



Regards,

Deanski
 
Mosca said:
A word here: MPPP contains cleaners, moreso than GC, #20, and 1216, and will not layer.



Excellent review, and I agree, not enough is said about MPPP. However, I'm not sure I'd agree with this. I certainly don't think MPPP has more cleaning power than the consumer cleaner/wax. The cleaning power of MPPP is fairly light IMO. You're right, though, MPPC is very solvent-smelling. But then it's a very effective product. It really kicks butt on oxidation and such.



Your car looks great! Is this the first time you've tried MPPP? I think it's a great product with a lot of shine and a good overall look. I just wish it beaded... (and wish it could layer).



Meguiar's still has an incredible deal going on for MPPP... ;)
 
Aurora40, I've actually kept your recommendation of MPPP in my mind since I first read it, and it's the reason I tried it, especially going into winter! When I say "won't layer", what I'm thinking of is our Autopian tendency to layer Zaino, SG, Souveran, and the like. But, it goes over #7. So it layers to some extent, just not in that constant reinforcement of gloss and reflectivity seen in some products.



Here are a couple pictures from outside. It has a nice "creamy" look that got captured pretty nicely. It's VERY alluring.





Tom



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Tom,

That looks great! I have those products in my garage too. Your posts have really got my interest lately. I foolishly started thinking that the best way to achieve the results I want was to use all of these exotic products I read about here. It is refreshing to find someone showing us that similar rsults can be achieved with off the shelf products with the right skills and techniques.



Maybe I am just hooked on the smell of Pinnacle Souveran. I did a black Explorer today for my girlfriend's brother. This was my first time using it on black and the result made me drool. If only Mequires could add some of those tropical scents to their line I could break from my addiction to $70 wax;)
 
I absolutely love Souveran. It's still #1 with me. #26 is great, too, though. Different, but great. I might like this better than #26, I'm not sure. And I like this almost as much as Souveran. I like #26 almost as much as I like Souveran, but Souveran is like a drug for me.



Tom
 
Mosca said:
I absolutely love Souveran. It's still #1 with me. #26 is great, too, though. Different, but great. I might like this better than #26, I'm not sure. And I like this almost as much as Souveran. I like #26 almost as much as I like Souveran, but Souveran is like a drug for me.



Tom



you follow that?!?! :lol :rofl
 
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