The absolute best wet/liquid shine possible

You might want to worry more about preping the paint perfectly before applying any thing. Trying all those good waxs and not being satisfied, screams out about the paint finish.



You might also want to think about putting the glazes under the wax, that is if you want the wax to remain on the car.

Changeling



PS. Very little experience but I have had some great trainers.
 
Changeling said:
You might want to worry more about preping the paint perfectly before applying any thing. Trying all those good waxs and not being satisfied, screams out about the paint finish.
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I think you're right.



Which do you think would look the best?



A. Completely polish/glaze to a perfect finish and seal it in with the cheapest crappiest wax.



B. 5 coats of the most expensive high-end wax/sealant on the market.



Like the old saying goes: you can't polish a turd.(not referring to anyone's vehicle). Prep is key to the best finish possible. Without proper prep, it's an up hill battle. LSPs account for about 1% of the final look IMHO. All this LSP stuff drives me crazy. :furious: :D
 
Good preparation is a foundation that cannot be skipped with any lsp. However, even with good prep, the key to the "best" (best that an individual car could obtain) finish is choosing an optimal lsp. A lot of people discount the attributes of a good lsp, but the differences, when compared, can be astounding. I always advocate comparing lsps when curious about the differences in performance of competing products.



I feel (IMHO based on experience) that the contribution of lsps resemble a formula more as 60% paint condition, 25% prep, and 15% lsp quality. You have to have a minimum restorable paint quality before any preparation steps will be able to show effect. Thus the quality (even a marginally restorable condition) of the paint makes up the majority of the effectiveness of your finishing efforts. You can divide some of the %'s of the lsp's effect with complimentary products, like sealant-wax combinations; But a good lsp is supposed to deliver the finish after the prep without any assistance from "glazes" (a generic term that could describe almost any detailing product aside from an abrasive polish). Of course, this is only my opinion.
 
In my opinion, proper prep with a bad lsp will always look worse than proper prep with a quality lsp. I presume it's going to be the same person doing the prep work, so that's a constant no matter what kind of wax or sealant is chosen to put on last.



The OP was also looking for the best shine "with no regard for durability," which is why the glaze/carnauba tandem was suggested--durability is compromised, but looks-wise it's a very nice combination.
 
Changeling said:
You might want to worry more about preping the paint perfectly before applying any thing. Trying all those good waxs and not being satisfied, screams out about the paint finish.



You might also want to think about putting the glazes under the wax, that is if you want the wax to remain on the car.

Changeling



PS. Very little experience but I have had some great trainers.
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Your assuming I don't prep or know how to prep. your assumption is wrong

I have a PC and a lot of polishes with ZPC being my favorite . I should have clarified my question. After a properly prepped finish what gives the most wet/liquid shine?



I like testing and using new products.
 
FMJ gave my car the best shine, but there are alot of products I have not tried. I also really liked the look/pop that Trade Secret gave my metallic paint last spring.



There are about 6-8 different products I plan on trying this spring/summer.
 
dogma said:
First of all the car is bright red metalic.



I had Zymol carbon and thought it was ok. ( traded to a friend )



I have Souvran ( in the process of selling the kit) it was real nice, but didn't blow me away like i hopped it wood.



I have used Surluster which looks exactly like Souvran.



No offence but #16 & #26 are not as good as either PS or SL



P21S was pretty good, I think a notch below PS & SL.



Natty's blue and pink wax were pretty good too.



Just wondering what else is out there.
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i found the P21S to be a very noticeable notch below Concorso, but Concorso is a little more 'finnicky' to apply



perhaps try something higher up in the Zymol range, Carbon is there entry level wax - i wouldnt expect it to be much difference from P21S or Souveran



This is Concorso on red out in full sun! All i did here was Swissol light fluid cleaner than wax. The red is so rich and deep
 
I found P21S to have been pretty good. But (to follow my advice) perhaps it may be time to try out Natty's or 5050 for my daily driver. I'm not necessarily trying to best my #1 wax, but I want to see if I can get a good grudge match between my every day wax and a new competitor to see which one does the best in the affordability/convenience/durability area. Interesting..
 
I tried Four Star 4-54 sealant (sample from Danase) It was super easy to use and goreous, but the durabilty (slickness at least) just isn't its strong suit. It would be a great show car or summer sealant.



I'd also polish with some Menzerna PO106FF or the Blackfire equivalent
 
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