swissol

Looking at my US price list, Saphir is $99.00 for a 200ml container. That's 6.6oz which is less that Pinnacle Souveran's 8oz container for $69.95. It may be a fine product but it sure ain't a good value, especially compared to products like P21S and S100.



I think Autopians are more skeptical than anything. Swissol may be an old company but they have almost no visible distribution in the US so it's not reasonable to expect many of us to have tried the product line. If some folks have experiences with Swissol then I think they should post a detailed and comprehensive product review and compare it with well known comparable products. That way we can all make up our own minds instead of listening to users defend the product line and non-users rip it.



Being critical of mfr claims of product performance is the cornerstone of this community. It is the responsibility of the product and it's mfr to live up to their claims. It is NOT the responsibility of the community members to simply accept claims at face value.
 
I suspect that Swissol do not view the US as being a target market at this point in time. They are having trouble supplying there existing markets. Swissol is very different to most of the products on the US market and used on this board.



Bretfraz you want a review yet you will not accept the views of users. So somehow a reviewer is different from a user.



I have comprehensive views of many products. However, in this board you if are in the business you get accused of spamming, so I bascially do not post my views. It is not worth the hassle.



I do not deal for a specific manufacturer but seek out the best products wherever they come from. I reccommend the best products for my clients after I listen to their goals, detailing skills and budget.



The standard of detailing has began to drop on this board. Some of the more experienced people no longer visit or post and it is showing. There are silly time wasting suggestions now being made. The use of Dawn once (or better still twice) is an example. If you used your paint cleaner properly you do not need Dawn at all. A return to the basics is needed. For the beginners go and read (and then re read) David B tips.

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Michael,



You seem to want to debate this issue so I am going to give you a shot at it.



Michael H said:
I suspect that Swissol do not view the US as being a target market at this point in time. They are having trouble supplying there existing markets.

If you have contact with Jack Carmada then I suggest you obtain confirmation of that statement. They have a website, product info and a price list. I have obtained all three from him via mail. But I have not seen any distribution outside of direct sales. I think it would be interesting to know exactly what Swissol's distribution plans are for the US market.

Swissol is very different to most of the products on the US market and used on this board.

From what I've read I doubt that's completely true but I'm sure there are some products that are unique to Swissol. I'd like to know exactly what is "very different" about Swissol products; it seems almost a direct copy of Zymol based on their literature, product descriptions, usage instructions, and product line. But if you know something about Swissol that makes it truly unique, why not share it with the community?



Bretfraz you want a review yet you will not accept the views of users. So somehow a reviewer is different from a user.

What I am interested in is a comprehensive product review and analysis complete with test methodology, a detailed description of product use, and both subjective and objective analysis of product performance over a stated period of time. Ideally a test like this would be conducted side-by-side with well-known competing products in order to provide the reader with a complete view of how Swissol performs vs. the competition. A test like this is infinitely more valuable than casual commentary of a product or mfr.



I have comprehensive views of many products. However, in this board you if are in the business you get accused of spamming, so I bascially do not post my views. It is not worth the hassle.

Understood and appreciated. But the fact that you are in the business of selling car care products is not the fault of this community and it is unfair of you to blame the 7000+ Autopians that you cannot or will not find a way to offer your opinions of products in a non-commercial manner. Have you discussed this with David B? If so, when did the discussions take place and what was the result? There are community members who represent various mfr's and post commentary without reprisal so I don't understand why you can't do the same.



I do not deal for a specific manufacturer but seek out the best products wherever they come from. I reccommend the best products for my clients after I listen to their goals, detailing skills and budget.



The standard of detailing has began to drop on this board. Some of the more experienced people no longer visit or post and it is showing. There are silly time wasting suggestions now being made. The use of Dawn once (or better still twice) is an example. If you used your paint cleaner properly you do not need Dawn at all. A return to the basics is needed. For the beginners go and read (and then re read) David B tips.

:xyxthumbs


As a veteran Autopian I can empathize with some of the sentiments you express. But as the old saying goes, there are lots of ways to skin a cat. You are entitled to your opinions and views of how to detail a car, as is everyone else. The fact that so many people do care for their own cars suggests that there is no one perfect method or system. Again to blame the community for what you view as a degradation of "standards" is unfair and a bit obtuse. The community has grown rapidly over the past year or two and, yes, some things have changed. I think there is a limit of what one can learn about car detailing, or at least there is a point of diminishing returns. Perhaps you have reached that point here at Autopia. I don't know what your next step is but an indictment the entire community is an unwise move, IMO. It is not the community's fault that your enthusiasm and interest are waning. Hopefully you can find a way to reconcile your feelings about Autopia and continue to contribute as a community member. In the meantime I look forward to your informative review of Swissol products.



With best regards, I remain,
 
I had no intention to enter into a debate, just said my piece and went on my way. I just do not see the point in discussing it further, just repeat that new users would do better by reading David B work instead of following some of the far out practices now appearing at Autopia.
 
Michael H said:
I just do not see the point in discussing it further, just repeat that new users would do better by reading David B work instead of following some of the far out practices now appearing at Autopia.
"Far out" practices? :rolleyes:



Problem: surface needs to be cleaned of oils, grease, and residues prior to using a sealant. I can either a) wash with a mild solution of Dawn (an alkaline cleaner), or I can b) mix up some Meg's APC+ at 64:1 to use as a dewaxer (also an alkaline cleaner). I happen to have APC+ on hand, but I'm sure well over 95% of Autopians probably don't. What would you recommend to them? A traditional paint cleanser (ala PPCL, or P21/S100 GEPC/SEC) contains the very oils we're trying to remove from the surface . . . great prior to using a carnauba, but not very useful if using a polymer sealant. Alcohol? Seems a bit of overkill to use a solvent for this purpose.



Dawn is readily available, and for all intents and purposes, harmless when used infrequently as a degreaser/dewaxer (the manner typically suggested on Autopia).



If that's far out, well . . . groovy, dude. Or were there other "far out" practices now appearing at Autopia?



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