just received my catalogue from swissol. . . all the way from switzerland, im in UK. Reading through all the bumf, it reads like zymols, with phrases like "feeding the paint", "heavy oils" blah blah blah......... and their prices are a tad steep too, almost identical to zymol. Ive heard good things about this wax but i guess its from the same people that go overboard about zymol. Still, i havent tried either and at that price i doubt i will. I must confess im still tempted to give one a try even though this board dosen't rate them. . . oh my god, im being taken in by spin!
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Lowejackson
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Thats the problem with this type of product. You feel that maybe just maybe it will be better than whatever you already have. It could also be they sell excellent products but marketing hype tends to put me off.
Steven
Steven
You will not be disappointed if you give Swissol a try. I have used several products and they are excellent. You may also want to read this:
http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=18946
Swissol is a class product. I fail to see how this board fails to rate them when it appears no one but me has used their product. There are always those willing to dismiss without trying, but at least I test it first!
http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=18946
Swissol is a class product. I fail to see how this board fails to rate them when it appears no one but me has used their product. There are always those willing to dismiss without trying, but at least I test it first!
Lowejackson
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The shampoo and other cleaning products sound fine but the wax costing from $56 - $1800 is way to expensive for me. Maybe during the summer when I have some spare cash, I will try some. The problem is, there is to many other products I would like to buy first
The wax wizard himself. Before i found this place, and megs UK, he used to sell Megs stuff to me for rip of prices. Dr Wack banned him from selling there products for the same reason.
I also brought a bottle of superior polish of him, he told me his company made it. it was identical in apperance and smell to no 7 meguiars show car glaze, apart from it was a quater size the amount you would get of megs and twice the price!
He used to sell his "own" products and Zymol, he now sells Swissol.
I also brought a bottle of superior polish of him, he told me his company made it. it was identical in apperance and smell to no 7 meguiars show car glaze, apart from it was a quater size the amount you would get of megs and twice the price!
He used to sell his "own" products and Zymol, he now sells Swissol.
Michael H said:
Regardless of whether or not some of their waxes contain Teflon® or PTFE, I think it's been proven that either ingredient is worthless in a wax.
Like I pointed out, another detailer on a pro board really likes the stuff, but the extremely high prices and using PTFE in at least one of their waxes means I'm going to pass, unless they offer samples to try, either free or at a nominal cost. Their prices are way too high to justify purchasing a wax I may or may not like.
scott, what do you think of the way they are marketed as containing no solvents only natural products? dont you think
the high cost is because of this? It just stikes me that both zymol and swissol are "natural" products and the "rest" have solvents and priced much lower in price. or am i just trying to justify spending big bucks on a tub! best regards, mark
the high cost is because of this? It just stikes me that both zymol and swissol are "natural" products and the "rest" have solvents and priced much lower in price. or am i just trying to justify spending big bucks on a tub! best regards, mark
markbigears said:
Regardless of 'natural' or 'solvents', performance should be your number one concern. I've tried some Zymol products (the lower priced ones and not just the cleaner wax sold at Pep Boys) and found them to streak excessively and not very durable. Considering paint is not a 'natural' material, I don't think that should be your primary concern when it come to car care products.
Scottwax
While you are entitled to your opinion. So are other people, especially when they have tested the products, unlike you. You do not have expertise in some of these matters - eg PTFE. The makers of Swissol are also one one of the largest paint manufacturers in Europe. They have also been making waxes for many years. People should not use guilt by association. That is just because it sounds like Zymol makes it Zymol - it is not.
This Board likes to think it is open minded, I have found that sometimes not to be the case. Before I sell products in the business I test them. I read the marketing blurb and then I test. I make the decision to stock a product based on those results not the marketing (a limited number are stocked due to client request). This is one reason why we stcok several brands trying to get the best of each and be indebted to none. I do not like to sell clients overhyped products that do not perform, bad business.
Swissol is not for everyone. It is a premium product and some customers do not wish to pay the price - which is their right. But it is an outstanding product from a reputable maker - a view I can make based on testing done here in Australia by a few detailers (we also detail). No customer so far has complained about Swissol - in fact the opposite.
So lets just be a little more opened minded when you have not even tested the product.
While you are entitled to your opinion. So are other people, especially when they have tested the products, unlike you. You do not have expertise in some of these matters - eg PTFE. The makers of Swissol are also one one of the largest paint manufacturers in Europe. They have also been making waxes for many years. People should not use guilt by association. That is just because it sounds like Zymol makes it Zymol - it is not.
This Board likes to think it is open minded, I have found that sometimes not to be the case. Before I sell products in the business I test them. I read the marketing blurb and then I test. I make the decision to stock a product based on those results not the marketing (a limited number are stocked due to client request). This is one reason why we stcok several brands trying to get the best of each and be indebted to none. I do not like to sell clients overhyped products that do not perform, bad business.
Swissol is not for everyone. It is a premium product and some customers do not wish to pay the price - which is their right. But it is an outstanding product from a reputable maker - a view I can make based on testing done here in Australia by a few detailers (we also detail). No customer so far has complained about Swissol - in fact the opposite.
So lets just be a little more opened minded when you have not even tested the product.
Michael, it isn't a point of being open minded, but that even Dupont says teflon and it's derivatives are a useless ingredient in wax. That isn't opinion. For that reason, I take a dim view of any manufacturer that uses it. I won't use Eagle One waxes for the same reason, and my Eagle One rep knows exactly why. (I mostly use their glass cleaner, tire swipes and other related products). Again, I've never said you can't get good results with Swissol and have mentioned a pro detailer on another board really likes the wax.
I didn't make the comparison to Zymol, others did. I just pointed out that I think for the most part touting 'natural' ingredients is marketing hype. Moose Wax, for example is a petroleum based wax and I find it to be an excellent wax. P21S/S100 touts carnuba and bee's wax in their products, and it too is an excellent wax. Neither product seems to share a similar make up, but both give excellent end results.
Obviously for me, there is a price line with products that I cannot cross in my detailing business without raising prices or eating the extra cost. Maybe the $56 wax won't cross that line, but the much more expensive ones will. The guy on the other board was raving about the $56 wax and I have no reason to doubt him. I'm just mostly put off by the PTFE claims.
If you will do a search on my posts, you will find I am very open to trying new products. Just in the past few years, I've used Meguiars, 3M, Formula113, Duragloss, Clearkote, Pinnacle Paste Glaz and Souveran, S100, Power Shine and a few others.
I'd be glad to try some Swissol products, but not at the price they charge. If you want to make a trade for something I have so I can sample it, I'd be more than willing to try it. I've made numerous trades on the board and have always been willing to post a review, good or bad.
Again, my main concern is the PTFE claims, which as far as I can tell are made by only one of their waxes. If they can sell enough high dollar wax to stay in business, they must be making people happy.
I didn't make the comparison to Zymol, others did. I just pointed out that I think for the most part touting 'natural' ingredients is marketing hype. Moose Wax, for example is a petroleum based wax and I find it to be an excellent wax. P21S/S100 touts carnuba and bee's wax in their products, and it too is an excellent wax. Neither product seems to share a similar make up, but both give excellent end results.
Obviously for me, there is a price line with products that I cannot cross in my detailing business without raising prices or eating the extra cost. Maybe the $56 wax won't cross that line, but the much more expensive ones will. The guy on the other board was raving about the $56 wax and I have no reason to doubt him. I'm just mostly put off by the PTFE claims.
If you will do a search on my posts, you will find I am very open to trying new products. Just in the past few years, I've used Meguiars, 3M, Formula113, Duragloss, Clearkote, Pinnacle Paste Glaz and Souveran, S100, Power Shine and a few others.
I'd be glad to try some Swissol products, but not at the price they charge. If you want to make a trade for something I have so I can sample it, I'd be more than willing to try it. I've made numerous trades on the board and have always been willing to post a review, good or bad.
Again, my main concern is the PTFE claims, which as far as I can tell are made by only one of their waxes. If they can sell enough high dollar wax to stay in business, they must be making people happy.
Swissol are not using Teflon. Teflon is a fluropolymer like PTFE, but that does not make PTFE teflon. In fact, Swissol is not the only company that use a flouropolymer, 3M Show car wax also uses a fluorpolymer. While telfon cannot be used other fluorpolmers can be - at least that what 2 reptuable company's say (3M and Swissol).
I do not think we can do a swap, postage cost from Australia would be a bit expensive - try over the top. But why not ask Jack Carmada for a sample to review for Autopia, does not cost anything to ask. The Swissol wax I have used the most is Saphir. It is the best all round wax for detailing a variety of cars, hence that is the one we use to finish cars. I have seen feed back from quite a few users (not the retalier) who have used Swissol Shield (the one with PTFE) and they speak very highly.
Swissol is not for all users, but for those wanting something better than the average it has an appeal. After testing we deiced to swap to Swissol Saphir as the was we finish the cars with, we had used Pinnacle Sourvean up till then.
I do not think we can do a swap, postage cost from Australia would be a bit expensive - try over the top. But why not ask Jack Carmada for a sample to review for Autopia, does not cost anything to ask. The Swissol wax I have used the most is Saphir. It is the best all round wax for detailing a variety of cars, hence that is the one we use to finish cars. I have seen feed back from quite a few users (not the retalier) who have used Swissol Shield (the one with PTFE) and they speak very highly.
Swissol is not for all users, but for those wanting something better than the average it has an appeal. After testing we deiced to swap to Swissol Saphir as the was we finish the cars with, we had used Pinnacle Sourvean up till then.
Hi Michael
Do you work at Waxwizard.com.au?
I just enquired about some wax and have been recommended the Swissol Saphir, Ill let you know what I think of it
Is there any issues using it by hand?
WaxWizard recommended using the Mothers Reflections Polish, but another user on this forum (Myles) recommended UltraGloss..
Whats your oppion on a Polish before Wax product?? I will use my Megiuars Paint Cleaner for prep
Do you work at Waxwizard.com.au?
I just enquired about some wax and have been recommended the Swissol Saphir, Ill let you know what I think of it
Is there any issues using it by hand?
WaxWizard recommended using the Mothers Reflections Polish, but another user on this forum (Myles) recommended UltraGloss..
Whats your oppion on a Polish before Wax product?? I will use my Megiuars Paint Cleaner for prep
imported_Smoker
New member
Hope I dont cause an argument ... but.
http://www.engineeringfindings.com/cat22/cat22pg79.pdf
Have a read.
Teflon IS PTFE.
All inventions carry a patent, once the patents run out then anyone is allowed to manufacture that particular thing.
What never expires is a copyrighted trade name.
PTFE was invented by Du Pont years and years ago, they marketed it under the trade name Teflon (like Kevlar, Delrin etc).
Since the patent expired, more folks make it under the generic name of PTFE.
HOWEVER!!
Teflon is a family of flouropolymers, including FEP and PFA.
Its still PTFE, just with a twist
I guess that makes ya both right LOL.
http://www.engineeringfindings.com/cat22/cat22pg79.pdf
Have a read.
Teflon IS PTFE.
All inventions carry a patent, once the patents run out then anyone is allowed to manufacture that particular thing.
What never expires is a copyrighted trade name.
PTFE was invented by Du Pont years and years ago, they marketed it under the trade name Teflon (like Kevlar, Delrin etc).
Since the patent expired, more folks make it under the generic name of PTFE.
HOWEVER!!
Teflon is a family of flouropolymers, including FEP and PFA.
Its still PTFE, just with a twist
I guess that makes ya both right LOL.
s8n
Yes and no to your first question. I do all the product evaluation for Wax Wizard. I also authored the website and have written all the Wax Wizard Tips. I also run the tech days for car clubs run by WW, we have the NSW Porsche Club next week. I actually work for an investment bank. All work for Wax Wizard is unpaid, although the garage tends to get filled up with test products.
Here is my car finished with Swissol Saphir ( I always use a polymer polish like Reflections before I wax):
http://www.autopia.org/gallery/showgallery.php?ppuser=22&cat=500&thumb=1
Like all Swissol waxes Saphir is very easy to use by hand. Even easier than Pinnacle.
I prefer Reflections to Ultragloss, which will stain the trim badly.
Yes and no to your first question. I do all the product evaluation for Wax Wizard. I also authored the website and have written all the Wax Wizard Tips. I also run the tech days for car clubs run by WW, we have the NSW Porsche Club next week. I actually work for an investment bank. All work for Wax Wizard is unpaid, although the garage tends to get filled up with test products.
Here is my car finished with Swissol Saphir ( I always use a polymer polish like Reflections before I wax):
http://www.autopia.org/gallery/showgallery.php?ppuser=22&cat=500&thumb=1
Like all Swissol waxes Saphir is very easy to use by hand. Even easier than Pinnacle.
I prefer Reflections to Ultragloss, which will stain the trim badly.