sudsless wash?

Re: suds-less wash?

CharlesW said:
The post where you mentioned that you added the 4 in 1 as a conditioner with your soap, I remember, but......
Are you or anyone else using it or ONR as the only product mixed in the wash water for a conventional wash?

Also, I don't see what the advantage would be by having a sud-less wash.
I can understand some saying that the suds don't add anything to the performance, but are they taking anything away from how the soap works?
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Yes that is correct I use a small amount of soap but I think the 4-1 adds to the performance of a soap.
Maybe I'm being misunderstood.
I'm not claiming that no suds is better but I'm saying that I don't think that a lot of suds is a indication that it is better either.
People associate soap with suds but what does the suds do for you other than hide what you are trying to clean and in most cases make it harder to rinse.
S&W proves you don't need suds to clean.
 
black bart said:
I'm waiting for Steve to reply.
Can poor boy's make a sud-less soap that will work as well as what you sell now.
I'm betting that you can if you wanted to.:idea
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I will have some samples in the next two weeks;)

southerndetail said:
Suds cover any dirt you may have missed, without any suds you can visiually notice any dirt residue. Also when your limited on the water source (100 gals) it reduces the rinse time. I did a car show a couple of months ago and used ONR as a wash on 40 cars in a light drizzle, worked wonderful.
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suds do help in encapsulating dirt, especially if there is heavy dirt, on cars that are garage queens or show cars it will do very little.

black bart said:
Yes that is correct I use a small amount of soap but I think the 4-1 adds to the performance of a soap.
Maybe I'm being misunderstood.
I'm not claiming that no suds is better but I'm saying that I don't think that a lot of suds is a indication that it is better either.
People associate soap with suds but what does the suds do for you other than hide what you are trying to clean and in most cases make it harder to rinse.
S&W proves you don't need suds to clean.
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Yes, S&W has more lubricants than most soaps and yes it does prove your point... and it can also be added to bucket washes to add more lubrication.:)
 
Poorboy said:
I will have some samples in the next two weeks;)



suds do help in encapsulating dirt, especially if there is heavy dirt, on cars that are garage queens or show cars it will do very little.



Yes, S&W has more lubricants than most soaps and yes it does prove your point... and it can also be added to bucket washes to add more lubrication.:)
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Steve thanks for affirming that I'm not completely :crazy:

I'm of the opinion that it don't matter what car soap you use a few ounces of S&W or 4-1 will improve the soap.
I just like the way it feels you can tell it is slicker.

Maybe the lubricity is not needed and a quality soap is all that I need but after spending all day trying to get that BLACK looking like I want it to I'm not taking any chances.:wall

Buying the soap and adding the 4-1 or S&W is not enough extra $$$$ to seriously alter my live style so I use it. :bigups
 
Re: suds-less wash?

dr_detail said:
As for a sudsless car wash soap, it certainly would be benificial in helping keep big brother off our backs -- if the runnoff is clear, then it would be visually (from the distance of a government watchdog) clean water act compliant ;)
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dr_detail said:
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From a professional level....
Lets say that when "Big Brother" drives by and sees a big patch of foam around the vehicle or run off with a head -- that's a red flag asking for a closer inspection into water reclamation, MSDS, and possible fines. If however the run off is clear, well I hope you can get the picture now.​
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Got it. :)
Good points that I didn't pay enough attention to. It is probably a big problem in some areas although it is not yet a problem here.
FWIW, the clean water act will probably be a consideration for even the hobby detailer in the future. Especially if the local governments figure a way to generate some revenue from it.
 
Bert said:
Hey Steve, how much S&W would you recommend adding?
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I would either add an ounce or two or as AWD330 often has done, and she has the most flawless daily driver I've ever seen that is one or 5 years old like hers, she gives the car a light mist of S&W after rinsing and before washing. This adds lubrication and the S&W will start breaking down dirt before the washing begins, which gives her a virtually swirl free maintenance. I have to agree with dr_detail in that the tools and method have a lot to do with the inducement of swirls. :)
 
Poorboy said:
I would either add an ounce or two or as AWD330 often has done, and she has the most flawless daily driver I've ever seen that is one or 5 years old like hers, she gives the car a light mist of S&W after rinsing and before washing. This adds lubrication and the S&W will start breaking down dirt before the washing begins, which gives her a virtually swirl free maintenance. I have to agree with dr_detail in that the tools and method have a lot to do with the inducement of swirls. :)
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An ounce or two per gallon or in the entire 5 gallon bucket?
 
I use one ounce per gallon try that then adjust to suit your preference.
Look at it this way if you only use 1 ounce in two gallon that is better than what you have been using.:cheers:
 
black bart said:
I use one ounce per gallon try that then adjust to suit your preference.
Look at it this way if you only use 1 ounce in two gallon that is better than what you have been using.:cheers:
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True but I just didn't want to be using more than what is really beneficial.
 
Sorry to butt in, but I was looking for products to make a sudsless wash today in NAPA and came across a powder car wash. I read the label and found that it had sodium sulfate, and sodium dodecylbenzesulfonate does anyone know what the property of these are?
 
southerndetail said:
Sorry to butt in, but I was looking for products to make a sudsless wash today in NAPA and came across a powder car wash. I read the label and found that it had sodium sulfate, and sodium dodecylbenzesulfonate does anyone know what the property of these are?
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I have no idea and that is after I did a Google search.
I had not only never read the word dodecylbenzesulfonate before, I had no idea how to even pronounce it.
Even after reading some of the information Google brought up, other than the fact that it seems to be some sort of a surfactant, I still had no idea what they were talking about. :D
I don't think it is what causes the bubbles.
Be patient, Poorboy will have some sudsless wash for you soon. :)
 
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