Stain problems with newer cloth seats.

My vette has orange peel. Would I consider wet-sanding it? No.



DK, I think you may be wrong this time. If I remember Ron Ketchum said that older clear coats had more solvent, making them "spread out" more before they dried. But environmental concerns have caused the manufacturers to use low-solvent clears for the last several years. These types of clear are much more prone to orange-peel. If you have ever painted anything with laquer you know how important thinning it can be.



Anyway, the base coat on a clear coated paint job is very very thin. The clear coat is maybe 10-20X the thickness so any hills or dales will be there.
 
I would also like to reiterate that you shouldn't try this on an oem paintjob unless you are very experienced. Aside from the dangers of going too far, ( oem clears are THIN! ) even if you're successful in getting a beautiful mirror like finish, you do risk removing the UV's AND you now have NO headroom in the event you do get a scratch or etch from a bird dropping etc. It can be done successfully,as was seen, but there's not much margin for error in getting a lasting result. Kudo's on the Jeep, looks great.



I too have painted quite a few cars, and I wet sanded my Supercoupe here completely to remove all OP, but then, I applied 4 coats of DuPont clear, so I had room to play with to a certain extent.



It is a great thing to know this art, but as was said, you must practice on something expendable. Cheers.
 
Brad4rdHay & darbh, thank you for the great compliments! I've had so much fun with the Jeep that I've felt guilty for neglecting the Vette. My next step with the Jeep is a set of Wet Okole neoprene seat covers, black with yellow inserts http://www.wetokole.com/. I call the Jeep my "ricer wannabe". See the type R badging on the back of the Jeep, it's my response to my 15 year old son wanting a hot Honda for a school car. No disrespect import owners, I'm a fan and am traveling from Omaha to Albuquerque next week to pick up a VTEC Prelude for his birthday surprise. BTW, I totally agree with you guys that say that anyone who wet-sands their whole, already nice car is certifiable, just ask my wife!
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dlw:



A Lingenfelter Vette? Wet sanding the Jeep? New Mexico to get a VTEC for your son?



All I can say is :bow :bow :bow
 
I'm just a good old boy from Omaha who's been blessed, my wife is probably the most understanding person in the world. She encouraged me to quit a very good job as a manufacturer's rep for NAPA auto parts and follow my dream to open my own computer store. After 18 years of 100 hour weeks and probably a great toll on my health, I retired Dec 31, 2000 at age 51. I'm certainly not rich and we have to be very conservative about a lot of things, but she insists that I have my toys that I love. She loves to say "there goes my remodeled kitchen" every time I pull out of the driveway in my Corvette! I detail a few cars now and then for a little extra cash and have worked a few part time gigs whenever I want to spend a little on essentials like the wheels for my Jeep, etc. I'm also a Zaino distributor, so I get a good deal on my detailing products! Overall, life is pretty darned good, all I need now is to win the Powerball (just to get that kitchen remodeled, mind you)!
 
yeah, DK - I've got to say I'm not sure I agree with you.



It may BE in all coats, but it only SHOWS/MATTERS at the surface - because the clear is filling in everything underneath. If you sand the clear down flat (assuming there is enough clear to do so, and that you know how) it will be gorgeous, and no evidence of any "under the surface" OP will exist.



At least, that's what I have observed, and I've talked to a number of hot rodders/show car owners/painters.
 
You're right Carguy... I painted a '77 Pontiac with a defective pressure guage and the lacquer was shot at about 55-60 psi. The finish looked like powder and felt like powder. I layed 2 gallons of clear coat on top of the rough/dull finish and proceeded to wet sand... mirror finish... a mirror finish over power.



No orange peel at all, but you could tell something was funny with the base coat since the metalic particles didn't flow properly.
 
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<strong class='bbc'>Brad4rdHay & darbh, thank you for the great compliments! I've had so much fun with the Jeep that I've felt guilty for neglecting the Vette. My next step with the Jeep is a set of Wet Okole neoprene seat covers, black with yellow inserts http://www.wetokole.com/. I call the Jeep my "ricer wannabe". See the type R badging on the back of the Jeep, it's my response to my 15 year old son wanting a hot Honda for a school car. No disrespect import owners, I'm a fan and am traveling from Omaha to Albuquerque next week to pick up a VTEC Prelude for his birthday surprise. BTW, I totally agree with you guys that say that anyone who wet-sands their whole, already nice car is certifiable, just ask my wife!
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Get your son a Lightning. Add a air ram hood, nitrous, lowering kit, computer upgrade, custom exhaust, and a bumper stick that saies "Rice Killer"

Then when he comes home ask what the kids with riced out hondas are saying.
 
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<strong class='bbc'>Get your son a Lightning. Add a air ram hood, nitrous, lowering kit, computer upgrade, custom exhaust, and a bumper stick that saies "Rice Killer"

Then when he comes home ask what the kids with riced out hondas are saying. [/b]</blockquote>Heck that! Give the kid the Jeep and get yourself that tricked out Lightning! :up :bow

BTW very nice job on the Jeep!
 
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Heck that! Give the kid the Jeep and get yourself that tricked out Lightning! :up :bow [/b]</blockquote>
LOL... I think the dad has a vette

I really want an L but if I actually had one I would probably never drive it. It would have like a 1000 coats of wax on it and it would be towed on a trailer to the race track.

I mean, with my current truck I'm driving on the higway and see a shell or gravel parking lot and pull off to do a few doughnuts and spinouts. With the L I couldn't do that.

Of course it would be interesting to see me do doughnuts with a trailer that had an Lightning on it.
 
I am having some problems with stains in newer cloth seats returning after I remove them. I will use APC and a soft brush to lightly agitate the stain, then use our extractor to suck the solution out of the seat using the hot water as I see fit.

I always make sure to get as much water sucked out of the seat as I can, but in a lot of cases, once the seat is dry the stain seems to come back up out of the foam and appear in the cloth again. Sometimes the stain will even spread out depending on how much water I use from the extractor.

What would you all recommend I change or try different? What process do you pros use?

Thank you for your time and have a nice day.
 
If there are really deep spills I will soak the seat really well and then blot with a thick white towel folded twice over and sit on the towel while Im cleaning other things . The bigger your butt is and the more you weigh the better it will blot it up :rofl:

Sometimes you just have to do them twice if the stain comes back . Thats why I like to do it early in the day in case I need to redo them
 
detailchick said:
If there are really deep spills I will soak the seat really well and then blot with a thick white towel folded twice over and sit on the towel while Im cleaning other things . The bigger your butt is and the more you weigh the better it will blot it up :rofl:

Sometimes you just have to do them twice if the stain comes back . Thats why I like to do it early in the day in case I need to redo them
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Thanks for the advice, I think having weight on the seat will really help soak up the stain and keep it from coming back up out of the foam.
 
kakeuter said:
Thanks a lot, I have heard a lot about Folex, I have just never looked in to it.

Do you know of a good place to buy the product?
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I've always gotten it at Lowe's.

Stains seem to disappear in front of your eyes using Folex. I've had them mysteriously reappear on carpets though. One of the pro carpet cleaner tips is if you leave cleaner residue in carpets you end up cleaning the bottom of your shoes over time and the stain seems to reappear. Thorough rinse and extraction is one of the secrets on those types of spots. YMMV.

TL
 
One thing I forgot to mention is if you use the soak and blot method you have to keep doing it till the wet spot on the towel comes out clear , thats why I like the white or very light colored towels for this .It will however spread the stain out wards and make it bigger so it may not be the best method but its what I do. The really deep spills can be nasty !

This can also be used for carpets .
 
detailchick said:
One thing I forgot to mention is if you use the soak and blot method you have to keep doing it till the wet spot on the towel comes out clear , thats why I like the white or very light colored towels for this .It will however spread the stain out wards and make it bigger so it may not be the best method but its what I do. The really deep spills can be nasty !

This can also be used for carpets .
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Thanks for the advice, I will try it out on the Volvo I have to do. The seats are pretty nasty, so hopefully I'll get the hang of cleaning them by the time we're done.
 
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