ssr product line swirl remover has many fillers!

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I know many people say they love SSR swirl removers, but i dont understand why. They have many fillers in the swirl remover and just hide the defect. I dont use it anymore, but try it yourself. After you apply it and you think the swirls are gone, just wash that area and the same pattern of swirls will be right there.
 
Uh, I don't think so, unless you are removing the polish with a dirty towl. I have not found that to be true. However, I have switched to Mezerna anyways (better results, IMHO), and if you are looking for a truly filler-free SMR, PO106FF followed by PO85RD is the way to go (Powergloss for tough cases). I have not seen better results from anything out there.
 
quamen said:
I know many people say they love SSR swirl removers, but i dont understand why. They have many fillers in the swirl remover and just hide the defect. I dont use it anymore, but try it yourself. After you apply it and you think the swirls are gone, just wash that area and the same pattern of swirls will be right there.
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:hm :nixweiss



I think you may need to check the way you are using the SSRs. I certainly don't have the problem you describe and I think you'll find that most of the people that have tried them have found that they remove swirls rather than fill them. Something must be wrong with your technique.



I've gotta raise the BS flag on this post.

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I've always said SSR's have fillers. If you dont believe it try some on a badly swirled dark surface then wipe it with IPA afterwards. They dont have alot of fillers but there is definitely some.
 
I've gotta raise the BS flag on this post.
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Good job Todd. This is complete bullhockey.



Do you realize you are slamming one of the best SMRs out there?



You look ridiculous. :nixweiss
 
I guess varying results and opinions aren't allowed on Autopia?



I wouldn't want to look ridiculous though...
 
Varying results are one thing...when the results call the process into question, I question them.
 
I guess varying results and opinions aren't allowed on Autopia?
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I think when folks make blatantly false claims with no evidence whatsoever, we should be able to call them on it.



To say SSRs don't remove swirls is just slander on a good vendor. :mad:
 
I'm JUST CURIOUS HERE. Has anyone that claims that the SSR's DON'T have fillers ever done a IPA wipe down after using them?
 
SpoiledMan said:
I'm JUST CURIOUS HERE. Has anyone that claims that the SSR's DON'T have fillers ever done a IPA wipe down after using them?
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I'm questioning the allegation that they don't remove swirls. They do. If you have swirls that they don't remove, checking your process is the logical thing to do. Obviously some swirls are so severe that a rotary is needed to remove them, but I have had a lot of success PERMANENTLY REMOVING SWIRLS WITH SSR 2.5 & A CUTTING PAD ON MY PC.
 
He said he went through the polishing process and did a wash and the swirls that "appeared" to be gone were back again. Did you wash or wipe down the areas that the swirls were removed from to CONFIRM that they had been removed?
 
I have used the SSR products quite a bit and nothing has ever caused me to think they contain excessive amounts of fillers. If they had any true filling abilities like the original post claims, I would not have to use a glaze on black Ford paint just to "eliminate" the very fine scratches caused by the abrasiveness of even the least abrasive foam pads. This particular paint puts me in a tough situation as a finishing pad cannot properly break down SSR1 and a polishing pad leaves marring of its own.



Also, using a pure paint cleaner after the SSR line would remove any fillers they left behind; the swirls/scratches have never reappeared after I use a paint cleaner.



If the original poster has swirls and scratches reappear after using the SSRs, there is a flaw in his technique.
 
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He said he went through the polishing process and did a wash and the swirls that "appeared" to be gone were back again. Did you wash or wipe down the areas that the swirls were removed from to CONFIRM that they had been removed?
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Not that very day, but let's say this...6 months later they still were NOT there. :nixweiss You tell me what that means. All I can say is that they work for me. If they don't work for you...hey, SG kicks my butt however a lot of people use it with no problems. I figure my process is wrong for SG...and it sounds like yours may be wrong for the SSRs...



Threads like this are a prime reason why I rarely post these days. I just hate to see a newbie read a thread like this and decide that a great product that works for a lot of Autopians isn't worth trying.
 
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He said he went through the polishing process and did a wash and the swirls that "appeared" to be gone were back again. Did you wash or wipe down the areas that the swirls were removed from to CONFIRM that they had been removed?
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Thats what I do any time I have a friend that needs to have swirls removed and wants to use zaino on their car as a last step. I agree that they have some oils. But the original poster claims that all the products do is fill. I think that's wrong.
 
I didn't say that they didn't work for me. I'm not the OP. I was questioning the people that were questioning the OP. He stated his process and was immediately accused of bashing a product or not using it properly. He polished and wiped away the product and the swirls appeared to be GONE. He washed and the same swirls reappeared. I don't mean to sound like a broken record but before anyone calls him a liar or says that he's not using the product properly have you tested with a wipe down to be SURE that what you're saying is true? I will say that I haven't had the problem either BUT I have never done a wipe down or wash afterwards to be SURE that that's the case.
 
SpoiledMan, I assume the car in your Avatar is yours. It is certainly dark enough to show defects...and shine like mad when they are removed!



Even if you haven't done a wipe down or wash afterwards, you have probably done your car enough times to determine whether or not any swirls were actually removed or just filled.



Although SSR 3 really needs to be used with a rotary to break down, the other SSRs are extremely PC friendly. It is possible that someone using them by hand may not fully remove a swirl...in which case the process flaw is that a PC is needed...the diminishing abrasives probably won't break down if used by hand. Another possible process issue is making a single pass when multiple passes were needed.



I apologize for insinuating that your process was flawed...however based on my personal experience with the SSR line the process is the first thing to question.



I think we can all agree that the prep work is where the true magic of detailing happens.
 
*I* can break down SSR 2.5 by hand using a terry towel in small areas. If a product has filling ability you will THINK that's you're finished polishing as the surface will look almost perfect. A wipe down tells the truth and *may* indicate the you need to do more polishing. SSR 3 is usable by PC and but you have to really work it to break it down kind of like IP.



Yes, that is my car in my avatar. I'll have to be honest and say that I don't do lots of polishing to it as I do my best to keep it from needing it. When I do, I don't even try to make it perfect. It's a black "Honda" car with pretty soft clear and I plan to keep it without repainting if for a long time. I don't do any wipe downs when I do polish it as I stop polishing when looks good enough *for me*!
 
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